Ingeus

[Chester6]

I thought if you worked then that counted as part of the WP sentence - I am sure of this

[RebeccaPidgeon]

I thought if you worked then that counted as part of the WP sentence - I am sure of this

...only if, when working, you continued to sign on.

[Lorise]

I thought if you worked then that counted as part of the WP sentence - I am sure of this

 

 

That is what I thought, or hoped ha, if it's not the case then it isn't a two year program for a lot of people who managed to find themselves work, whether that was permanent or temporary, as they have to finish the two years if/when their jobs end......feel sorry for all the people who have got jobs and thought that was the end of it...lets hope they never find themselves jobless again as it seems they will be shipped back to the WP. my 104 weeks are up in July, but I found (myself) a temp job for 6weeks few months after starting WP so it looks like I have those weeks to end to my sentence....so much for early release with good behaviour..Ha

[RebeccaPidgeon]

That is what I thought, or hoped ha, if it's not the case then it isn't a two year program for a lot of people who managed to find themselves work, whether that was permanent or temporary, as they have to finish the two years if/when their jobs end......feel sorry for all the people who have got jobs and thought that was the end of it...lets hope they never find themselves jobless again as it seems they will be shipped back to the WP. my 104 weeks are up in July, but I found (myself) a temp job for 6weeks few months after starting WP so it looks like I have those weeks to end to my sentence....so much for early release with good behaviour..Ha

Given that a candidate may only be sentenced to criminal servitude as part of the Work Programme if they have a Job Seekers Allowance Agreement, and are only required to attend the Work Programme insofar as the Job Seekers Agreement remains in effect, if the candidate signs off as unemployed they are no longer required to indulge the Welfare To Work Sector or the Work Programme.

 

If and when the job no longer exists, for example if the business collapses and staff are made redundant, then when you sign back on, it will be a matter for Job Centre Plus as to whether the candidate should be returned to the Work Programme to continue to pay penance for their crimes.

[Lorise]

Given that a candidate may only be sentenced to criminal servitude as part of the Work Programme if they have a Job Seekers Allowance Agreement, and are only required to attend the Work Programme insofar as the Job Seekers Agreement remains in effect, if the candidate signs off as unemployed they are no longer required to indulge the Welfare To Work Sector or the Work Programme.

 

If and when the job no longer exists, for example if the business collapses and staff are made redundant, then when you sign back on, it will be a matter for Job Centre Plus as to whether the candidate should be returned to the Work Programme to continue to pay penance for their crimes.

 

 

Sorry to be nosey RebeccaPidgeon, but when did you finish the WP and what have they made you do since...I understand if you don't want to answer, I won't be offended..ha

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Sorry to be nosey RebeccaPidgeon, but when did you finish the WP and what have they made you do since...I understand if you don't want to answer, I won't be offended..ha

The WP commenced in July 2011, and in the absense of any change, candidates who commenced in July 2011 will be scheduled to be released in July 2013 - I haven't finished the WP yet.

[Chester6]

The WP commenced in July 2011, and in the absense of any change, candidates who commenced in July 2011 will be scheduled to be released in July 2013 - I haven't finished the WP yet.

 

I finish on the 28th

I missed my exit appointment and my drone lady has too many clients to fit me in so next time I am in town i will ask for a copy of the report that she has to ask others to write as she hasn't known me for long

Edited June 30, 2013 by citizenB

[osdset]

Providers of the government's flagship Work Programme have told ministers the costs of helping sick and disabled jobseekers into employment cannot be met under the scheme.

 

We could have told them that

 

But in the most challenging group - who claim Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) - only 10% have found work.

 

And they are surprised?

 

The Employment Related Services Association (ERSA), representing the providers, says those receiving ESA have complex health and skills requirements and the Work Programme can not "fix all these problems alone".

 

The WP is not competent at fixing anything.

 

"The costs of helping jobseekers on ESA back into work are significant and cannot all be met by the Work Programme," says the Association's chief executive, Kirsty McHugh.

 

 

So why did the drones go en masse to the government begging them for ESA referrals in the first place?

 

The Department for Work and Pensions says the payment-by-results contracts agreed with Work Programme providers already give them "a clear financial incentive to support the hardest to help into work".

 

Absolutely.

Edited June 30, 2013 by citizenB

[san_d]

So why did the drones go en masse to the government begging them for ESA referrals in the first place?

Because they are not drones, they are welfare bums on a larger scale. Let's not offend the honest drones by comparing them to vile Ingeus.

Edited June 30, 2013 by citizenB

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Because they are not drones, they are welfare bums on a larger scale. Let's not offend the honest drones by comparing them to vile Ingeus.

Ingeus bid 70% less than any other party and were awarded 23% of the contracts for the Work Programme.... on a practical level, they are just as bad (and no worse) than other drone outfits, such as Working Links, A4E.

Edited June 30, 2013 by citizenB

[jasta11]

I finish on the 28th

I missed my exit appointment and my drone lady has too many clients to fit me in so next time I am in town i will ask for a copy of the report that she has to ask others to write as she hasn't known me for long

 

Maybe when you get your exit report you could let us all know what sort of information about us Ingeus will be passing back to the DWP? I'm sure they're going to be a LOT more careful about personal statements when they know we can read what they've put.

Edited June 30, 2013 by citizenB

[Mr.P]

Maybe when you get your exit report you could let us all know what sort of information about us Ingeus will be passing back to the DWP? I'm sure they're going to be a LOT more careful about personal statements when they know we can read what they've put.

 

Also be interesting to see if the exit report sent to the DWP matches the version handed over - A Subject Access Request filed with the DWP should be quite revealing.

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Maybe when you get your exit report you could let us all know what sort of information about us Ingeus will be passing back to the DWP? I'm sure they're going to be a LOT more careful about personal statements when they know we can read what they've put.

Given that you finish on the 28th, I hope that your own Exit Report, copies of which should be sent to i) your MP, ii) Public Accounts Committee, iii) Work and Pensions Select Committee, and not simply to the Job Centre, will be explicit over a) the type of "Service" which you were provided and the effort exerted by Ingeus Welfare To Work Clerks offered in b) arranging face to face interviews, and/or c) arranging telephone interviews.

 

Were the Welfare To Work Clerks within Ingeus that you met Professional Careers Advisors, did they accurately assess your Skills Profile, or did they simply offer criticism after criticism, suggesting that you were the reason why you were unemployed.

Edited June 21, 2013 by RebeccaPidgeon
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[Nystagmite]

"The costs of helping jobseekers on ESA back into work are significant and cannot all be met by the Work Programme," says the Association's chief executive, Kirsty McHugh.

 

eh? They're not jobseekers though. They've been found unfit for work.

[Paulo83]

In terms of the Mock Interview.... it is entirely your choice as to whether to subscribe to this, or whether you wish to indulge a Welfare To Work Clerk (presumably conducting the Mock Interview) and give the pleb additional opportunities to criticise you. If you have not been mandated to attend the Mock Interview, simply tell Ingeus that, upon reflection if you ever wanted to subscribe to a Mock Interview, you would week Professional Guidance from a Professional Careers Advisor.

 

It wasn't. I was mandated to attend. My luck was in though because the careers adviser I got assigned to for the mock only happened to be a friend of mine. Happy days! It was more of a social/catching up session than anything. I know he'll do a very good write-up of this mock interview to keep them off my back.

 

Next week is the fun of attending a "how to fill in a job application form" course. I can barely contain the excitement!

[RebeccaPidgeon]

It wasn't. I was mandated to attend. My luck was in though because the careers adviser I got assigned to for the mock only happened to be a friend of mine. Happy days! It was more of a social/catching up session than anything. I know he'll do a very good write-up of this mock interview to keep them off my back.

 

Next week is the fun of attending a "how to fill in a job application form" course. I can barely contain the excitement!

Your friend is a Professional Careers Advisor..... Lucky. Mandation is, of course, a different issue. However, I am more surprised that you were assigned a Professional Careers Advisor to conduct a Mock Interview, and not some unskilled, unqualified, totally inept and incompetent Welfare To Work Clerk.

 

As for your next challenge..... if the application form used as a standard contains (say) 1cm for your "Education and Training", but you have extensive Education/Training/Qualifications (both formal and informal) to refer to, you should be able to stress the Welfare To Work Clerk out by discussing how to fit such extensive information into such a small space.

[jasta11]

Your friend is a Professional Careers Advisor..... Lucky. Mandation is, of course, a different issue. However, I am more surprised that you were assigned a Professional Careers Advisor to conduct a Mock Interview, and not some unskilled, unqualified, totally inept and incompetent Welfare To Work Clerk.

 

As for your next challenge..... if the application form used as a standard contains (say) 1cm for your "Education and Training", but you have extensive Education/Training/Qualifications (both formal and informal) to refer to, you should be able to stress the Welfare To Work Clerk out by discussing how to fit such extensive information into such a small space.

 

Ah, I hate those forms!! That's why I love the 'one click' application used by Reed and CV-Library. I remember the standard JC application form also used to have minute sections too...plus my new jobsearch log suffers from the same problem. Someone, somewhere is trying to save paper and the rain forests

[Chester6]

If these courses were that useful then i would think that the 'advisers' would give the edited highlights to people so they can use them to get a job ASAP and then the adviser would have the success but instead they don't

I actually tried getting an adviser to give me the edited highlights for one that was supposedly 'useful words for applications' but she (unsurprisingly) didn't plus seemed to even get the idea

She was normally clueless to be polite about her manner

[RebeccaPidgeon]

Ah, I hate those forms!! That's why I love the 'one click' application used by Reed and CV-Library. I remember the standard JC application form also used to have minute sections too...plus my new jobsearch log suffers from the same problem. Someone, somewhere is trying to save paper and the rain forests

Of course, the application form for entry to the DWP (and hence to JCP) for Junior Grades did not even suffer from such a hinderance...there was no section entitled "Education, Training, Qualifications", reference to "Employment Experience" only covered the most recent 3 years, candidates may have been required to sit a numeracy and literacy test (ignoring proof via Qualifications) and, if an interview arose, candidates met DWP Personnel Clerks who did not even refer to the Application Form prior to commencement of the interview.

[Paulo83]

Your friend is a Professional Careers Advisor..... Lucky. Mandation is, of course, a different issue. However, I am more surprised that you were assigned a Professional Careers Advisor to conduct a Mock Interview, and not some unskilled, unqualified, totally inept and incompetent Welfare To Work Clerk.

 

As for your next challenge..... if the application form used as a standard contains (say) 1cm for your "Education and Training", but you have extensive Education/Training/Qualifications (both formal and informal) to refer to, you should be able to stress the Welfare To Work Clerk out by discussing how to fit such extensive information into such a small space.

 

So was I. I didn't even realise (more like I wasn't told) that the "mock interview" was to be with a careers adviser. Just got very lucky it was with a friend of mine.

 

The thing is, I think this course is even more pointless because I find a lot jobs now are requesting you to send a CV because of the volume of applicants and CVs are a lot easier to read and a lot easier to reject. Hmm, stressing them out takes time though. I just want to be in there and out as quickly as possible. Partly tempted to go the pub beforehand to ease the pain.

[RebeccaPidgeon]

So was I. I didn't even realise (more like I wasn't told) that the "mock interview" was to be with a careers adviser. Just got very lucky it was with a friend of mine.

 

The thing is, I think this course is even more pointless because I find a lot jobs now are requesting you to send a CV because of the volume of applicants and CVs are a lot easier to read and a lot easier to reject. Hmm, stressing them out takes time though. I just want to be in there and out as quickly as possible. Partly tempted to go the pub beforehand to ease the pain.

Be wary.... you may find that Welfare To Work Clerks, in hating their job so much, and finding that such lowly positions to be demeaning, pop out to your choice of pub to lull their senses into a false sense of sobriety.

[Mr.P]

Partly tempted to go the pub beforehand to ease the pain.

 

Be careful doing that - If you go in to one of these "mock interviews" reeking of beer, you could be labelled as "having a drink problem". This could result in you being pushed towards an alcohol dependency support group and parked even further out (which in its self may not be a bad thing).

[Paulo83]

Be wary.... you may find that Welfare To Work Clerks, in hating their job so much, and finding that such lowly positions to be demeaning, pop out to your choice of pub to lull their senses into a false sense of sobriety.

 

I got my activities mixed up. Today is "interview skills" and not job application rubbish. I would rather I was given my mock interview feedback before I was mandated to waste two hours of my life. Decided against the pub in case I fall asleep and get assigned to some "well-being" course.

[osdset]

I got my activities mixed up. Today is "interview skills" and not job application rubbish. I would rather I was given my mock interview feedback before I was mandated to waste two hours of my life. Decided against the pub in case I fall asleep and get assigned to some "well-being" course.

 

IMO the pub is a sterling idea. However in my dotage my propensity for strong ale is flagging and would probably drift off into the slumber that only that lovely blonde called Stella Artois can provide. And so to drink, per chance to dream.

[Bakatcha]

IMO the pub is a sterling idea. However in my dotage my propensity for strong ale is flagging and would probably drift off into the slumber that only that lovely blonde called Stella Artois can provide. And so to drink, per chance to dream.

In my dotage I have turned to the charms of red, red wine.

Each to his/her own.