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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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As pt2537 argues, strike outs are often dangerous territory, because if you fail, you bear their costs. Judges seem to be very generous to claimants against LiPs. Perhaps better to give them a bit more rope. If they fail after an extra 28 days, then their goose is cooked.

 

I'm afraid that I disagree with you here. If they fail after an extra 28 days then it is the OP's goose that is cooked as he/she still has no sight of the agreement and now has to put in a defence.

 

I would also say that pt's advice seems to be the opposite of what you are saying:-

 

If the Claimant cannot disclose then you cannot plead and this is where an application to strike out the case should be used in my opinion, there is no point filing a verbose defence which deals with everything and the kitchen sink where you dont even have the agreement they are reliant upon.

 

The CPR is there to help you, to help the court effectively manage the case and to set out what is expected from a claimant. it is unlikely that the court will refuse to order the Claimant to disclose to you the docs upon which the claim is based and the court will also take into account the fact that you will need more time to file your defence too,providing you ask for it!!

 

 

As donkeyb says, you MUST write to the court telling them that you have agreed an extension of time to file the defence. You may wish to refer to CPR part 15.5 when you do this.

 

However, this only gives you an extra 28 days. So what happens after that?

 

That is when, in my opinion, you should make the application to strike out. I would suggest that you do it before the 28 day stage, say after 14 days so that the court has it well before the 28 day cut off point.

 

If you have a read of the application it is asking for an unless order. It is giving the creditor a FURTHER 14 days - or you could put in 28 or any other number that you want - to provide the information and then if they don't then the claim can be struck out:-

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?159445-Getting-Them-To-Reveal-Their-Vitals.-Using-CPR-31.14-to-Your-Advantage&p=1771008&viewfull=1#post1771008

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Sorry Nicklea but im not sure i follow

 

Are you saying put a defence in without disclosure?

 

That is contrary to CPR 16.5

 

(2) Where the defendant denies an allegation –

(a) he must state his reasons for doing so; and

 

(b) if he intends to put forward a different version of events from that given by the claimant, he must state his own version.

 

 

you cannot make a bare denial, the rules require a denial to be backed by a positive averment as to the facts relied upon

 

 

My point being that if you file a defence that fails to deal with the matters in hand then you will face costs of the amendments later, the general rule is that the amending party pays the other parties costs. I have to say i have the costs orders to prove this point on my desk.

 

 

Ignorance is no defence, the rules give you the requirements and the route if the party fails to disclose is an application for an order compelling disclosure. you will also get an award of costs due to the claimants breach of the rules CPR 31.15 is explicit on the time scales

 

 

CPR 15.5 also allows for an agreed extension of time for the Defence, if the Claimant dont play the rules then again you apply for a court order and get the court to tell the Claimant what he must do.

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As pt2537 argues, strike outs are often dangerous territory, because if you fail, you bear their costs. Judges seem to be very generous to claimants against LiPs. Perhaps better to give them a bit more rope. If they fail after an extra 28 days, then their goose is cooked.

 

Nicklea, I don’t understand what you’re getting at. How is the OP’s goose cooked? The OP would have done all in their power to get the info by agreeing an extension of time to file a defence – with a letter from the claimant giving extra time to get the documents to support its claim, then the claimant failing to provide it, that gives the OP some real evidence to use in a strike out, ie. the claimant by its own admission has failed to disclose documents.

 

At this stage (or earlier) the OP could also ask for a court order to have the documents supplied, but as the claimant has offered to supply the docs with more time, this would be pointless before the time is up.

 

That seems a much more positive scenario. I don’t understand what you are disagreeing with.

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Sorry Nicklea but im not sure i follow

 

Are you saying put a defence in without disclosure?

 

 

My point being that if you file a defence that fails to deal with the matters in hand then you will face costs of the amendments later, the general rule is that the amending party pays the other parties costs. I have to say i have the costs orders to prove this point on my desk.

 

 

Ignorance is no defence, the rules give you the requirements and the route if the party fails to disclose is an application for an order compelling disclosure. you will also get an award of costs due to the claimants breach of the rules CPR 31.15 is explicit on the time scales

 

 

CPR 15.5 also allows for an agreed extension of time for the Defence, if the Claimant dont play the rules then again you apply for a court order and get the court to tell the Claimant what he must do.

 

I'm sorry that I didn't make the point I was trying to make clear enough and it led to some misunderstanding.

 

I am not saying put a defence in without disclosure - quite the opposite. I was trying to highlight the issue that cpr15.5 only gives an additional 28 days and that if the creditor has still not disclosed the documents within that time then the defendant faces a real problem unless they take steps before the end of the extra 28 days to make an application to the court as you also say above.

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ah yes, quite

 

This is the problem where people should not sit on their hands

 

7 days for CPR 31.14, if non compliance then i want answers why, if the answers arent satisfactory then its an app to the court, when i say satisfactory i mean a valid reason, if they dont have the agreement then they need to get it, but they shouldnt be allowed to take forever more, they issued, then they should have the docs.

 

You can agree up to 56 days with the opponents, that is more than enough time to get the docs, so id say if 28 days passes, and no docs arrive, id want a dam goood reason or id be off to the court with my N244

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Thanks again guys.

I'll get a letter off to the court today, enclosing a copy of the letter sent by Link.

If I'm understanding correctly, this will give me another 28 days to either recieve the docs from Link or send in a defence/strike out.

Will a short note do? I'm not great at composing letters I'm afraid.

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Just make sure you have all the details on there – case number, claimant and defendant, date of claim, etc. Also quote CPR 15.5, as suggested above.

 

Yes, include a copy of the letter from Link and make it clear YOU are allowing THEM a further 28 days, as they have agreed.

 

It may be best for you to state the date you believe the extension works until, ie. about 56 days after the claim was originally issued.

 

Perhaps copy the letter to Link, so they know the obligation they are under.

 

Send all recorded.

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I sent the letter to court yesterday by special delivery. They have received it today.

In the post today I received a Tomlin Order from Link.

I assume you guys know what these are about.

The order says all proceedings will be stayed if I agree & maintain payments of £20 per month until a total of £2040 is paid.

This is £2000 for Link + £40 for the court fee.

I'm on my way to work now but if I can scan + upload in the morning if required.

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Hi TJ,

It does seem like you have them on the run.

If this was me, I'd tell them where to stick their Tomlin Order.They usually attach a Voluntary Restriction order to the order.

It is obviously up to you, but `I know what I would do.

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Ignoring for a second this tomlin order, I'd like to address the letter I received from Link which offered an extension so they may get the docs together.

At no point does it mention cpr15.5 so will the court still grant the extension? Should I phone to make sure? My 5+28 days are due to expire on 27th, I think.

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Call the court and check they have the letter and will not entertain any application for judgment from Link in the meantime. Record the call if you can.

 

The court should grant the extension automatically given the evidence of Link’s letter.

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I sent the letter to court yesterday by special delivery. They have received it today.

In the post today I received a Tomlin Order from Link.

I assume you guys know what these are about.

The order says all proceedings will be stayed if I agree & maintain payments of £20 per month until a total of £2040 is paid.

This is £2000 for Link + £40 for the court fee.

I'm on my way to work now but if I can scan + upload in the morning if required.

 

Do not get involved in a Consent nor Tomlin Order. If your circumstances change, and you default they wcan enter judgment without any notice to you. Very dangerous document, and extremely difficult to get set aside by the Court. This can only be done on very limited grounds as the Courts look at it as a bargain which the parties freely entered into. Avoid it at all costs.

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Ok so I'm guessing that all would say the tomlin order is a bad idea? Fine by me.

I just rang the court & the chap I spoke to said that the letter I sent regarding the extension would be "in the system" & will take 5 days to process.

He said it would be sorted by Monday but Link could still apply for judgement anyway as it was "entirely up to them".

Can't say I'm happy with any of that. He couldn't even confirm they received the letter although I did send it special delivery so it's been signed for.

In the meantime, I believe my 5+28 days will expire on the 27th of this month so I'm hoping Link will be playing ball.

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Recieved from the court today:

 

I can confirm that the letter mentioned below was received, and the contents noted on the court record. However, any agreement of an extension of time for filing a defence is between yourself and the claimant, and the court cannot confirm that judgment will not be entered. If you wish you may make a formal application to the court for an extension of time for filing the defence. The fee for this is £40.00 and the application will be considered by a District Judge, the outcome is at the District Judge's discretion. I have attached form N244 in case you feel you would like to make the application.

 

Not quite what I was expecting.

I'm going to need some more help here. What do I do now?

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CPR 15.5 is clear and short:

 

Agreement extending the period for filing a defence

 

15.5

(1)The defendant and the claimant may agree that the period for filing a defence specified in rule 15.4 shall be extended by up to 28 days.

 

(2)Where the defendant and the claimant agree to extend the period for filing a defence, the defendant must notify the court in writing.

 

I can see no mention of applications being required, just the information being made available to the court. Puzzling. I think whoever wrote that may be wrong – you have done as required.

 

Anyway, easy to set aside with that letter is they dare go for judgment; just keep an eye on the revised date then go for strike out if they fail to comply.

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Maybe it's because I'm dealing with the bulk centre at Northampton.

When I spoke on the phone it seemed like I was dealing with a call centre rather than a court clerk.

I guess I should send another letter to link explaining when this extra 28 will expire & that they should not attempt to secure a judgement while the extension is in force.

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You are right, to a large extent. The concrete monolith that is Northampton CC is really a factory for churning out claims at around £100 a go. Your assessment of it as a glorified profit-making call centre is on the nose.

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Reply received from Link.

As the poc's mentioned the default notice, assignment and original agreement, I ask for all 3 documents in my cpr request.

They have sent me a copy of the default notice & a copy of the assignment but no mention of the agreement.

They "look forward" to my reply.

My move?

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Write and point out they have failed to comply with your CPR request, that the CCA as mentioned in the PoC remains outstanding, and you expect same by return.

 

What’s you’re final deadline for submitting your defence? You need to request that they supply the CCA seven days before this final date so you have time to respond.

 

Let them know that failure to comply will result in an application for a court order to produce the documents.

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Yes, on checking the deadline will be 25th dec.

It doesn't look as if I will be supplied with the agreement by then & so I need to consider my next move.

Can I form a defence without being supplied with the agreement?

I'm sorry I need more help here.

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I must apologise for my constant asking for help here. I realise it's a self-help forum & I'm sure that if I spent enough time I would probably find the answers I need but unfortunately time is running out & I would be very grateful if someone could suggest my next move.

Is it now time to construct a defence or should I make an application to get the claim struck out?

I don't think there is any more time to haggle with Link as the deadline is due on the 25th Dec so whatever I should be doing I really do need to be doing it now.

Again, my apologies & my thanks to all who have taken an interest so far.

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