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    • Thank you for your pointers - much appreciated. dx100uk - Apologies, my request wasn't for super urgent advice and I have limited online access due to my long working hours and caring obligations - the delay in my response doesn't arise in any way from disrespect or ingratitude. I will speak to her at the weekend and see if she will open up a bit more about this, and allow me to submit the subject access request you advise - the original creditor is 118 118 loans and from the letter I saw (which prompted the conversation and the information) the debt collection agency had bought the debt from 118 and were threatening enforcement which is when she has made a payment arrangement with them for an amount of £180 per month. It looks as if she queried matters at the time (so I wonder if I might with the FIO request get access to their investigation file?) - the letter they wrote said "The information that you provided has been carefully considered and reviewed. After all relevant enquiries were made it has been confirmed that there is not enough evidence present to conclusively prove that this application was fraudulent.  However, we have removed the interest as a gesture of goodwill. As a result of the findings, you will be held liable for the capital amount on the loan on the basis of the information found during the investigation and you will be pursued for repayment of the loan agreement executed on 2.11.2022 in accordance with Consumer Credit Act 1974"  The amount at that time was over £3600 in arrears, as no payments had been made on it since inception and I think she only found out about it when a default notice came in paper form. I'm a little reluctant to advise her to just stop paying, and would like to be able to form a view in relation to her position and options before unsetting the applecart - do you think this is reasonable? She is young and inexperienced with these things and getting into this situation has brought about a lot of shame regarding inability to sort things out/stand up for herself, which is one of the reasons I have only found out about this considerably later Thank you once again for your advice - it is very much appreciated.    
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where do they actually get it stamped at

 

 

Hi selinajayne. they can only get stamped at the supreme court. and having the same date as the date you took the loan out is not right. it has to go to a solicitors first then to the supreme court. were did you go to take the loan out ???

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when we did the paper work

i met him the 12 dec 2008 did the paperwork and got the money all the same time

 

 

Hi selinajayne. just reading your other posts. you say your loan is now paid off with just costs to pay..... there is no point doing anything with your bos now. your charges are not on a bos they are attached to you CA a bill of sale is done on amount and if that is paid it is finnished. charges can not be added to a bill of sale but can be added to your CA so you need to find out how much is owed in charges. (remember they have the same APR as the loan)

 

but just for info lbl CAN NOT do loans in a car or a house they are only licenced to do loans at places that has a credit licence i.e cash convertors/ mobile money / as these places are your witness

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yes i have paid it off and they want their charges now

they are asking for charges on phone calls they never made, i thought if my bos wasnt valid i could just refuse to pay the charges

the charges have had no interest put on

do you think i could go along the lines of it not being witnessed

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yes i have paid it off and they want their charges now

they are asking for charges on phone calls they never made, i thought if my bos wasnt valid i could just refuse to pay the charges

the charges have had no interest put on

do you think i could go along the lines of it not being witnessed

 

 

who ever told you your charges do not have the same APR are giving you crap. (read lbl terms) and you have a CA and if i was you i would make your payment though a solicitor just so it is documented you have paid the final amount.

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nope definately no interest on it

i have the charges all listed and the total for final payment to be made next month

 

 

 

selinajayne. please please take this as a warning. do not trust lbl at all. if you want to be free of lbl. get a solicitor to look at what you think is the final payment and have them also contact lbl for there final payment figure. this will cover you.

 

 

another lbl case (same as you)

 

final payment £147 they thought it was over 1 month later another bill charges for late payments / phone calls / letters total £800. they took the car under the bill of sale 8 days later.

 

please protect yourself on your final payment GET IT IN RIGHTING

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do you think once i have paid this amount they will send me another bill

 

 

Oh yes, they want you to keep paying, regardless, Do as CCTV has suggested and go see a SoL, I will tell you this, the charges can be challanged-they are usally charged at £25 a throw and letters at £40-49 a throw, Go See a SOL....

 

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