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    • Please read the following thread very carefully. It is extremely relevant where you are suing Evri on the basis of a contract which you originally made with Packlink who are domiciled in Spain. A judgement has been obtained and we have applied for transcript and it will be put up on this thread as soon as we receive it probably about the end of July. In the meanwhile, read this thread, see what has been discovered about the Packlink/Evri/customer relationship and look at the witness statement very carefully. It's a long thread but don't give up. Once you have the transcript of the judgement, then I will do a more careful and explanatory post here   https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/459707-evri-lost-my-ebay-parcel-£844-court-claim-issued-judgment/
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    • Yep, I would  have brought up the other things like asking for their contract and receiving no response etc. but the mediation phone calls were rather short. Evri just said the contract was not with them (i said 1999 act response etc.) and the goodwill offer thing. Whole process took about 10 minutes in total. Seems like they don't even want to negotate in mediations anymore. "they're only given a certain amount that they can agree to in mediation per day" I mean its hard for me to say if thats the mediator paraphrasing or aa direct quote from evri I will look through that thread and share what I find, also for what its worth I also have everything I made for the previous claim WS and bundles etc. that I can tweak for this parcel, since it did go almost all the way to court and is a virtually identical case. that + this new stuff you shared above should be helpful to me
    • If I haven't referred to it before then please check out this thread another case where the claimant contracted directly with Packlink for a courier delivery service carried out by Evri. Please read this thread very carefully and eventually you will get to a point where the claimant – our OP – discovered some interesting terms and conditions and has referred to them in his case. He incorporated these into his witness statement and was given judgement – not on the basis of rights of third parties but on the basis of direct responsibility. I would suggest that use the witness statement as a model although we will want to see it before you file it off. When you find the particular post with the witness statement, please can you post a link to it here as well as a copy of the witness statement because I don't have the time to look for it at the moment and the thread is rather long. However it is very important to you and you should go through it very carefully indeed. We have applied for a transcript of the judgement and hopefully it will be along in six weeks or so. As soon as we receive it we will make it available on this sub- forum.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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Summary Judgment is what they tried for last year (it short cuts the trial process so judgment without trial)

Default Judgment is if you dont defend

Judgment is when the claim as gone full process and you lose,they get Judgment

 

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Summary Judgment is what they tried for last year (it short cuts the trial process so judgment without trial)

Default Judgment is if you dont defend

Judgment is when the claim as gone full process and you lose,they get Judgment

 

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I didnt back down and i got half the costs deducted but we'l see about these costs because this hasnt in no way been fair and im not backing down from this. If i end up paying costs i will appeal.

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M.P., SRA, Press Office of The Mail, etc etc, FSA, Minstry of Justice (regarding the quote from the Judges), P.M. deputy P.M., Watchdog, local BBC news station, ITV news station, local Radio stations, Which!, there is a start DD.?

 

Woman Magazines and any other Magazine you can think of.

 

Any American Company i.e. Capitol One, MBNA contact President Obama direct.

 

That for starters, a lot of them? you would be surprised what may become of it, I did it.

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Dizzie, lost in admiration at your ability to deal with all that life has thrown at you, I hope little man is improving. You go get them girl, they are a dreadful company, I won a summary judgement against Optima Legal/MBNA couple of years ago, no application form or any kind of agreement, outstanding balance at the time £1600, took a look at my free credit report recently and there it is with amount stated as £2,000, they had already added £200 before the hearing and they had to cough up costs of £200 which they have kindly added to my credit report.

Going to sort out a notice of correction but a bit busy with something else at present.

 

Thinking of you, well done Andy for being there every step of the way, as Mike says throw everything at them, a bit of bad publicity about them has to be good.

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M.P., SRA, Press Office of The Mail, etc etc, FSA, Minstry of Justice (regarding the quote from the Judges), P.M. deputy P.M., Watchdog, local BBC news station, ITV news station, local Radio stations, Which!, there is a start DD.?

 

Woman Magazines and any other Magazine you can think of.

 

Any American Company i.e. Capitol One, MBNA contact President Obama direct.

 

That for starters, a lot of them? you would be surprised what may become of it, I did it.

 

Thanks for that input mike, i need to get it all in writing, then write to these and see if magazines are interested in the story.

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Dizzie, lost in admiration at your ability to deal with all that life has thrown at you, I hope little man is improving. You go get them girl, they are a dreadful company, I won a summary judgement against Optima Legal/MBNA couple of years ago, no application form or any kind of agreement, outstanding balance at the time £1600, took a look at my free credit report recently and there it is with amount stated as £2,000, they had already added £200 before the hearing and they had to cough up costs of £200 which they have kindly added to my credit report.

Going to sort out a notice of correction but a bit busy with something else at present.

 

Thinking of you, well done Andy for being there every step of the way, as Mike says throw everything at them, a bit of bad publicity about them has to be good.

 

You go girl..iv still have alot of work to get done on this case but im strong i dont let them get me down their not important enough for that :)

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Rooming in at the childrens hospital, my son was naughty again Monday night stopped breathing and spent a day and night in ICU but is back on the ward again. Right iv booked an appointment for legal assistance.

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I'm finding it difficult to find a solicitor to take on the next hearing so I have contacted community legal team who are based in Northamptonshire.

 

I would like to put in a complaint with regards to the track my case was allocated to (fast track) as the Judge agreed it shouldn't have been allocated to this track. I want guidance on who to make a written complaint to at the court as I did state on the allocation questionnaire that I disagreed with the fast track.

 

MBNA have got Judgement on the back of a faulty default notice only because I agreed to an amount of £2250 of which I have never denied.

 

I want to submit a complaint any advice please?

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Have you had any paperwork through DD from the last hearing or with regards to costs hearing?

 

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Recieved the N24 today; number 1 states how much I am to pay and number 2 states that;

 

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2) The defendant shall pay the claimants costs pursuant to contract and under CPR 48.3 subject to detailed assessment.

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Recieved the N24 today; number 1 states how much I am to pay and number 2 states that;

 

Not by consent

 

2) The defendant shall pay the claimants costs pursuant to contract and under CPR 48.3 subject to detailed assessment.

 

48.3

(1) Where the court assesses (whether by the summary or detailed procedure) costs which are payable by the paying party to the receiving party under the terms of a contract, the costs payable under those terms are, unless the contract expressly provides otherwise, to be presumed to be costs which –

(a) have been reasonably incurred; and

 

(b) are reasonable in amount, and the court will assess them accordingly.

 

(The Costs Practice Direction sets out circumstances where the court may order otherwise)

 

(2) This rule does not apply where the contract is between a solicitor and his client

 

 

 

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Why should MBNA be awarded costs on the back of a faulty DN, they were only awarded Judgement bc iv always admitted the debt no litigation was discussed!

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The Judge didn't ask to take a look at my income & expenditure as I am on benefits the advice centre said I should be paying a token payment how can I get this re looked at?

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You can request a redetermination (as to be done within 14 days of the judgment date) but with the costs issue being separate and not finalised there will be more to consider and agreed terms of payment.

 

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You can request a redetermination (as to be done within 14 days of the judgment date) but with the costs issue being separate and not finalised there will be more to consider and agreed terms of payment.

 

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So thats too late then! What do you suggest?

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Wait until the costs are determined and assessed and you have the final figure.

The judgment you have now is for the debt alone and set at the rate of £20pm Im not sure how they are going to request payment of the costs

and whether this will be attached to the original judgment or kept separate.Is there any mention of the costs element within the judgment?

 

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Wait until the costs are determined and assessed and you have the final figure.

The judgment you have now is for the debt alone and set at the rate of £20pm Im not sure how they are going to request payment of the costs

and whether this will be attached to the original judgment or kept separate.Is there any mention of the costs element within the judgment?

 

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No there isn't. I need to get together what I'm going to put to the Judge at the next hearing, I think this is important.

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No there isn't. I need to get together what I'm going to put to the Judge at the next hearing, I think this is important.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30538[/ATTACH]Heres some info DD Ill post another shortly

 

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]30540[/ATTACH] This covers the effects in some cases were the wrong Track was allocated

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Plenty research there DD bedtime reading:wink:

 

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1) No litigation was discussed at my last hearing MBNA were awarded Judgement only because I agreed to an amount I owed.

2) No litigation was discussed.

3) My case was allocated to the wrong track.

 

I need to put together my reasons as to why I believe I shouldn't have to pay any costs.

 

1) An unfair trial that only lasted 10 minutes when MBNA pushed for the fast track saying it was a complexed case. Oh how complex can you get when a defendant has admitted the debt!

 

Any other points please post up many thanks

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