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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Ive just settled a mortgage and a 2nd charge.

Whilst I managed to get round the ERC of the 2nd charge by doinga bit of questioning and getting a deed of postponement (basically I asked the new lender to allow me to pay the majority of the 2nd charge at time of remortgage and then pay the 2nd charge off in two further instalments - as advised by a freindly advisor on the end of the phone for GE Money - this saved me approx £900 net).

 

However, Bristol and West still taken from me over £3000. The mortgage was operating on a reduced rate and was to continue to up until Setember 2008 - maybe 2009! (Ill hve to check).

Do you think I have any chance of claimign back the ERC? Seeing as they have obviously lost money in the long run...?

 

I eagerly anticpate you response(s)

 

FS :)

Barclays :- Settled March 07:o

 

RBS:- Acct Discharged May 07 :o (chase for more and CRA deletion???):confused:

Barclaycard: - CCA recieved 24/1/07. WOW! :o (GITS!!!) :-|

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Hi Fullyskinted,

 

There is a difference between losing money and not making as much profit as they would like! They offer reduced rates to remain competetive and attract your custom in the same way many businesses offer discounts. The difference with mortgage companies is that they like to have their cake and eat it.

 

They want to attract your custom without bearing any of the risk in offering discounts. Most businesses will accept the risk of not making a profit or even making a loss on a few discounted products in the hope that it will increase future sales. Its seen as a worthy investment any losses are off set with the overall increase in profit. Not many businesses will transfer this risk back to the non loyal customer. You do not go in to Tescos and see buy one get one free offers subject to terms that you will have to pay a penalty if you never buy the product in the future. No arguments that they are not making as much profit from you as they had hoped.

 

So yes you should be able to claim your ERC!

 

All the best

 

Zoot

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Can you reply to my PM please matey :)

 

And if what you say is all true, I think I may have a go at B&W then ;)

Barclays :- Settled March 07:o

 

RBS:- Acct Discharged May 07 :o (chase for more and CRA deletion???):confused:

Barclaycard: - CCA recieved 24/1/07. WOW! :o (GITS!!!) :-|

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Can you reply to my PM please matey :)

 

And if what you say is all true, I think I may have a go at B&W then ;)

 

have a very good read of threads (especially this one) where people are claiming ERC's first.

 

They will defend it as far as they possibly can so make sure you do your homework, and realise you may have to attend court at some stage.

Alliance & leicester:Settled 8/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester-successes/19700-tamadus-l.html?highlight=tamadus

Capital One:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/capital-one/16644-tamadus-capital-one.html?highlight=tamadus

MBNA 2 accounts:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions-successes/13831-tamadus-mbna-i.html?highlight=tamadus

Smile:Settled 15/11/06

Egg Card:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 2/10/06

GE Money:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent3/8/06 LBA sent 26/9/06

Abbey:ERC prelim sent 14/9/06. LBA sent 2/10/06. Now it's getting interesting so keep watching

Barclaycard:In criminal default watch this space

Lloyds TSB:In criminal default watch this space

 

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I can answer that Fullyskinted,

 

using words like robbed leaves the site open to libel action so we try and moderate posts using terms similar.

Alliance & leicester:Settled 8/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester-successes/19700-tamadus-l.html?highlight=tamadus

Capital One:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/capital-one/16644-tamadus-capital-one.html?highlight=tamadus

MBNA 2 accounts:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions-successes/13831-tamadus-mbna-i.html?highlight=tamadus

Smile:Settled 15/11/06

Egg Card:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 2/10/06

GE Money:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent3/8/06 LBA sent 26/9/06

Abbey:ERC prelim sent 14/9/06. LBA sent 2/10/06. Now it's getting interesting so keep watching

Barclaycard:In criminal default watch this space

Lloyds TSB:In criminal default watch this space

 

If my comments have been useful please click the scales and let me know.

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have a very good read of threads (especially this one) where people are claiming ERC's first.

 

They will defend it as far as they possibly can so make sure you do your homework, and realise you may have to attend court at some stage.

 

OK, Ive just read the entire thread (this one) and now have a way forward :)

 

Lookslike Ill not only be digging out the paperwork for the one I just settled, but the two previous to that aswell!

 

I can answer that Fullyskinted,

 

using words like robbed leaves the site open to libel action so we try and moderate posts using terms similar.

 

OK LOL. Ill refrain from that CRUDE language in future! ;)

 

Thanks :)

Barclays :- Settled March 07:o

 

RBS:- Acct Discharged May 07 :o (chase for more and CRA deletion???):confused:

Barclaycard: - CCA recieved 24/1/07. WOW! :o (GITS!!!) :-|

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OK, Ive just read the entire thread (this one) and now have a way forward :)

 

Lookslike Ill not only be digging out the paperwork for the one I just settled, but the two previous to that aswell!

 

 

 

OK LOL. Ill refrain from that CRUDE language in future! ;)

 

Thanks :)

 

Thanks for that. it only takes a moments thought to avoid something which could have the potential to do a lot of harm.

 

Have fun with B&W, I'm currently locking horns with them myself on behalf of my ex wife :D

Alliance & leicester:Settled 8/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester-successes/19700-tamadus-l.html?highlight=tamadus

Capital One:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/capital-one/16644-tamadus-capital-one.html?highlight=tamadus

MBNA 2 accounts:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions-successes/13831-tamadus-mbna-i.html?highlight=tamadus

Smile:Settled 15/11/06

Egg Card:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 2/10/06

GE Money:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent3/8/06 LBA sent 26/9/06

Abbey:ERC prelim sent 14/9/06. LBA sent 2/10/06. Now it's getting interesting so keep watching

Barclaycard:In criminal default watch this space

Lloyds TSB:In criminal default watch this space

 

If my comments have been useful please click the scales and let me know.

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Have fun with B&W, I'm currently locking horns with them myself on behalf of my ex wife :D

 

Whats that? Youre locking horns with your ex wife over an old B&W TV? :eek:

 

Blimey! You must be a hard man to please! LOL :D

 

Go and buy a new HDTV instead pal ;):D:D

Barclays :- Settled March 07:o

 

RBS:- Acct Discharged May 07 :o (chase for more and CRA deletion???):confused:

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Hi Zoot,

I have just taken on and settled with the Halifax before MCOL. Am now wondering who to take on now!! Your thread has inspired me. I changed my mortgage from a hefty rated London Mortgage company to a rather more respectable Northern Rock rate.

Needless to say it incurred a hefty early redemption fee which inevitably went on top of the new mortgage.

I will now find out my paperwork from the London Mortgage company, when I have got this together I will start out a new thread.

I will try and read as much as possible before I get into the nitty gritty but any help would be greatly received.

Cheers:)

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S.A.R. received 21/10/06

Prelim received 25/11/06

LBA received 12/12/06

Offer made by telephone 29/12/06 - upped then accepted.

Received offer and acceptance form 30/12/06.

Sent acceptance 02/01/07

Money in bank 09/01/07 :D :D :D

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Hi Zoot,

Thanks for replying to my earlier note.

A bit more detail if you could offer advice. I have just settled with Halifax for my bank charges - nearly £3K:D .

 

I last year switched my mortgage from Halifax - £1800 ERC - to Northern Rock.

 

Also in doing this I cleared a horrific 2nd charge loan which was with London Mortgage Company(Matlock Bank). This incurred a £2k+ early repayment charge (As well as having to pay an incredible £4k insurance policy for the loan which was added to the loan regardless from the start).

We were in a horrid financial mess at the time and were very vulnerable.

 

Could you guide me to which template I would be best using - I guess I follow the Prelim 14 days - LBA 14 days route.

 

I think the Halifax is the more straightforward to go for first, but I would be interested in your opinion on the London issue.

 

Thanks

Alan

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S.A.R. received 21/10/06

Prelim received 25/11/06

LBA received 12/12/06

Offer made by telephone 29/12/06 - upped then accepted.

Received offer and acceptance form 30/12/06.

Sent acceptance 02/01/07

Money in bank 09/01/07 :D :D :D

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Hi Zoot

 

Have just read this thread and it is very encouraging to read. Just last week we unintentionally completed on a remortgage 8 days too early and have been charged an ERP of over £9K.

We have challenged it and our solicitor is awaiting their response.

Will let you know their response and am dreading a long drawn out battle.

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Zootscoot,

I have been pondering over a ERC i was charged on a commercial

mortgage my partner and i redeemed 2years ago . The ERC amount was £17000.

The company was Commercial First. At the bottom of their redemption statement

it states they are "authorised and regulated by the FSA for residential mortgage pursposes and certain business loans. " Should i go for this ERC? Has anyone

tackled this company before.? If i decide to procede . Should i reduce the claim to

£15000 and keep within fast track or risk multi-track and the danger of legal fees.

We were in real dire straights and facing bankrupcy when they ERC ed us.

All help, ideas and suggestions gratefully accepted.

A person is only as big as the dream they dare to live.

 

 

Good things come to he who waits

 

 

Its your money taken unlawfully from your account and you have a legal right to claim it back.

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hi sorry if im hyjacking this thread. :( but just about to tackle a and l for charges on our old mortgage. the unpaid dds are easy to spot but however; can i claim these back?

 

insurance admin fee 25.00

deeds production fee 75.00

sealing fee 75.00

insurance admin fee 25.00

switchover fee 50.00

 

thanks very much for your help :)

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