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    • Thank you for your responses. As requested, some more detail. Please forgive, I'm writing this on my phone which always makes for less than perfect grammar. My Dad tries but English not his 1st language, i'm born and bred in England, a qualified accountant and i often help him with his admin. On this occasion I helped my dad put in his renewal driving licence application around 6 weeks before expiry and with it the disclosure of his sleep apnoea. Once the licence expired I told him to get in touch with his GP, because the DVLA were offering only radio silence at that time (excuses of backlogs When I called to chase up). The GP charged £30 for an opinion letter on his ability to drive based on his medical history- at the time I didn't take a copy of the letter, but I am hoping this will be key evidence that we can rely on as to why s88 applies because in the GP opinion they saw no reason he couldn't drive i need to see the letter again as im going only on memory- we forwarded the letter in a chase up / complaint to the DVLA.  In December, everything went quiet RE the sleep apnoea (i presume his GP had given assurance) but the DVLA noticed there had been a 2nd medical issue in the past, when my father suffered a one off mini stroke 3 years prior. That condition had long been resolved via an operation (on his brain of all places, it was a scary time, but he came through unscathed) and he's never had an issue since. We were able to respond to that query very promptly (within the 14 days) and the next communication was the licence being granted 2 months later. DVLA have been very slow in responding every step of the way.  I realise by not disclosing the mini stroke at the time, and again on renewal (had I known I'd have encouraged it) he was potentially committing an offence, however that is not relevant to the current charge being levied, which is that he was unable to rely on s88 because of a current medical issue (not one that had been resolved). I could be wrong, I'm not a legal expert! The letter is a summons I believe because its a speeding offence (59 in a temp roadworks 50 limit on the A1, ironically whist driving up to visit me). We pleaded guilty to the speeding but not guilty to the s87.  DVLA always confirmed to me on the phone that the licence had not been revoked and that he "May" be able to continue to drive. They also confirmed in writing, but the letter explains the DVLA offer no opinion on the matter and that its up to the driver to seek legal advice. I'll take the advice to contact DVLA medical group. I'm going to contact the GP to make sure they received the SAR request for data, and make it clear we need to see a copy of the opinion letter. In terms of whether to continue to fight this, or to continue with the defence, do we have any idea of the potential consequences of either option? Thanks all
    • stopping payments until a DN arrives does not equal automatic sale to a DCA...if you resume payments after the DN.  
    • Sleep apnoea: used to require the condition  to be “completely” controlled Sometime before June 2013 DVLA changed it to "adequately" controlled. I have to disagree with MitM regarding the effect of informing DVLA and S.88 A diagnosis of sleep apnoea doesn't mean a licence wont be granted, and, indeed, here it was. If the father sought medical advice (did he?) : this is precisely where S.88 applies https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64edcf3a13ae1500116e2f5d/inf1886-can-i-drive-while-my-application-is-with-dvla.pdf p.4 for “new medical condition” It is shakier ground if the opinion of a healthcare professional wasn’t sought. in that case it is on the driver to state they believed they met the medical standard to drive. However, the fact the licence was then later granted can be used to be persuasive that the driver’s belief they met the standard was correct. What was the other condition? And, just to confirm, at no point did DVLA say the licence was revoked / application refused? I’d be asking DVLA Drivers’ Medical Group why they believe S.88 doesn’t apply. S.88 only applies for the UK, incidentally. If your licence has expired and you meet the conditions for S.88 you can drive in the U.K., but not outside the U.K. 
    • So you think not pay until DN then pay something to the oc to delay selling to dcas?    then go from there? 
    • think about it, if you don't pay the full amount, what more can they do , default you  they've already registered a default notice by that point.  why have you got to await sale to a DCA.... for what?  
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Am a little confused at a response that I have had from a request that I have made to a DCA on the behalf of my partner.

The DCA in question have told my partner via a phone call that they have taken him to court for a debt that is being disputed and that now the bailiffs are being sent in to recover the debt. to my knowledge no court papers have been received with either court dates or the final judgement.

I have asked the DCA involved for records of the court Judgment, and dates etc, their reply was that they are unable to obtain copies of all the court papers as they deal with the Northampton County Court Bulk Centre and send their requested for claim and judgment by disc and the court do not keep copies,.

With out case reference numbers and dates I am unable to get these details from the court.

Now is this is ploy to scare my partner to pay or is this true cant they get the records or case numbers, Not worried about the bailiff threat at this stage as they said they are being sent to my partners parents house and he dosnt live there so it would be futile sending them there and I have informed the DCA of this.

Any help any one

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If they had applied to court then your partner would of received notification from the courts albeit at your partners parents house.

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Until you receive official notification, just ignore them. All the courts would keep a record of some kind, even if it's just a record of a judgement. These DCA **** will try anything to extract money from people, whether they owe it or not, and whether it's by legal means or not.

 

You would have also received the papers about any court hearing BEFORE it happened.

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Nothing was recieved, but funny this they now have the information, !!!

it went to court in march of last year and he was ordered to pay 50 pounds a month. but he has had nothing just endless phonecalls demending money, it was only recently that they said it had gone to court.

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Is it fact that it went to court in March last year?? Or is it what you have been told by them?

 

Unless there is proof that there is a debt, they can shout all they like.

 

It's not up to you to prove you don't owe.. it's up to them to prove that you DO!

 

Once some little trickles of paperwork start to come through, you will have a clearer idea of what is (or is not) happening.

 

Unless a court issues pre-hearing papers and actual judgements, there is nothing they can do... except fraudulently.

 

Has there been any change of address at all in this time?

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They are probably spoofing. Had they got a CCJ last year you can be sure as hell they would have enforced it by now. Your best bet would be to record these twats on tape telling you they had a judgement and that they are sending the balliffs round then you would have an excellent case under the new Unfair Trading Regulations 2008

 

If a judgement has been granted against you you could find out here RTL Home

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This is the email I have just recieved from them;

The claim papers were sent to************ Road on 5th March 2007 and we

believed you were aware of the claim as we were contacted on 7th March

and an offer was made to pay £50 per month by 21/3/07 but as no payment

was received judgment was entered on 29th March 2007 and on 2nd April we

were contacted again offering to pay £50 per month by 6th April.

Therefore leading us to believe that you had received the papers from

the court. A letter was sent to you on 16th April informing you that

you were in arrears and you contacted us again on 20th April making

another offer to pay £50 per month leading us again to believe that you

were receiving the letters.

 

You contacted us on several occasions after that to inform us that you

could not make payments and were told by our collectors that a bailiff

will call and you claimed you were happy to deal with the bailiff,

therefore fully aware of the proceedings issued against you.

 

Therefore we await to hear from the court.

 

Regards,

 

My partner has informed me that he has never phoned them, they called him and he cant remember whether they told him if it was pending to go to court, he does remember agreeing to pay £50 a month and does remember teling them at one point that he was off sick and couldnt afford to pay them. Im going to write to the court requesting all information with regards to this matter. they have now given me a case number, so I presume it has gone to court, but why push for it a year later.

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Only get the information from the court for your own information for now, so you know what happened. It is still up to them to prove you owe any debt... an email isn't exactly proof! It is just a summary of what they say has happened. It will at least give you some breathing space until

something can be done. Note what ODC has said.

 

My advice would be to ask the court when judgement was made and to which address any communication was sent.

 

You need more professional advice which I can't give, but there are plenty of people who will be able to help.

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They are probably spoofing. Had they got a CCJ last year you can be sure as hell they would have enforced it by now. Your best bet would be to record these twats on tape telling you they had a judgement and that they are sending the balliffs round then you would have an excellent case under the new Unfair Trading Regulations 2008

 

If a judgement has been granted against you you could find out here RTL Home

 

Thanks for that, have emailed the court for more info.

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Only get the information from the court for your own information for now, so you know what happened. It is still up to them to prove you owe any debt... an email isn't exactly proof! It is just a summary of what they say has happened. It will at least give you some breathing space until

something can be done. Note what ODC has said.

 

My advice would be to ask the court when judgement was made and to which address any communication was sent.

 

You need more professional advice which I can't give, but there are plenty of people who will be able to help.

Thank you for that info, just sit and wait now for the paperwork to come rolling in

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