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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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We been in touch with hpi company no intrest was registered regarding the vehicle that was taken with us. On here is only brief story of what happened to us. Do you work for logbook loans. You starting to sound as if you do.

 

We have had a lot of help from people on this site. And if the car has shown on hpi as someone having interest on it we would not have taken it.

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i would like to confirm that a mate of mine had a loan from lbl with her car, and she had a hpi check and also got the police to check PNC and there was no records that LBL have anything on this acar at all.

Just thought i would say that was all :)

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the barn The elderly owner was threatened with arrest if they reported the break-in by contacting the police or the owner

 

3 vehicles NOT SUBJECT TO ANY LIEN WHATSOEVER were removed unlawfully (that's stolen to you & me)

 

After being threatened they were returned damaged & left untaxed on a public road for the owner to find on their return home later

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Please remember we did not take a logbook loan out all we done was swap a car and ended up with a car that had a logbook loan on it. We done hpi check nothing shown up. We checked with hpi company and nothing had been registered for the car.

 

So how do we know if a loan was on the car.

 

We only got the bigger car as we have a disabled child, we only wanted to make his life easier. Now he is a prisoner in his home as he is unsafe to take on public transport.

 

We are fighting because we are innocent in our case and ended up with nothing this is what is unfair.

 

Why should we lose out for someone elses mistakes. We can't afford to get another car as we lost £3500 when the car was took by logbook loans. LBL told us they were legal owners of the car does this make them responsible for the repair costs for the mot costing £1500. We paying for them for something we are told was not ours. Think i should send them the bill. Make them pay it, it was there car according to them.

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Please remember we DID NOT take out a LBL we swapped our small car for bigger car. The bigger car had a LBL on it took out by previous owner. Hpi check was clear, we checked with company and nothing had been registered on the car.

 

We had no way of knowing the big car had a loan on it, we are innocent inwhat happened to us. Had hpi shown interest on it we would not of done the deal.

 

we were trying to do the right thing for our disabled child he needed more room to move in.

 

We sending LBL garage bill for repair costs of £1500. We were told by them that they were the legal owners of the car, so why should we pay what is not ours to pay. Garage owner agrees with us as does his solicitor.

 

We can't afford to get another car so my disabled child is a prisoner in is home as it is unsafe to take him out on public transport. So how have we done wrong. WE INNOCENT VICTIMS IN OUR CASE.

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Yes But!

 

Have You Spoken To Hpi For Compensation, And Have You Asked The Dealer To Either Settle You Or Lbl.

 

Its Not A Police Matter I Assure You.

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After lots of consideration and research its true suggest that lbl and mobile money and companies like them set up solely to fleece and prey on people who are desperate to get their hands on money for various reasons.

Its true as well that like any well organised mobster they have done their homework and they are aware of loop holes that they exploit.

Once you have signed their paperwork (deed of sale) if you take the time to read the small print you pretty much give them the right to do what they like with your car if you miss a payment.

Unfortuneately third parties like wecareless sometimes also get entangled in this web and thru no fault of their own become embroiled in this rot simply to hold on to their assets.

There is no easy way to get past these guys.. I have learned one thing tho if the deed of sale is not registered at the supreme court within seven

days of it being signed then it is not valid and they have no rights over the vehicle. and yes they do slip up and they do register late.

 

I think one of the most constructive things we can do is to start a petition in the petitions forum..get as many people as possible to join it and then petition the goverment to intervene on companies who hand over money at extotionate rates. These loans should be cheap as chips considering they hold your car as security...and to charge hundreds of times higher apr then banks have when they the banks lend out on personal loans without security.

these companies work on the assumption that if the bank for whatever reason would not lend you money then you are fair game to exploit...harras..enter your property, break your car open ...and do what any loan shark or mobster would.

The goverment needs to get involved especially in these times 378% is a disgrace to the country..the office of fair trading allowing this should lose their license. lets at least help others not to fall into this. Lets petition the goverment to stop it. I for one will walk to the ends of the earth to see them closed down. I am trying to find out if it is legal for me to protest outside their premises and if it is i can tell you i will be outside mm office in london on sat morning (their busy time) with all my paper work and big signs on 2 vans warning unsuspecting customers. so if you want coffee out my flask see you there.

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We contacted police at time of the car being taken they were not interested as it was civil manner. HPI company can't do anything as there was nothing registered with any firm, as solicitor has checked them. If nothing is registered there is no come back on them.

 

We have got a couple of solicitors we are working with at the moment and national papers will be running the story in the next few weeks.

 

Now trying to save to get another car, hard but need to get one for our sons sake. We will keep putting updates on here incase we can be of help to anyone else.

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After lots of consideration and research its true suggest that lbl and mobile money and companies like them set up solely to fleece and prey on people who are desperate to get their hands on money for various reasons.

Its true as well that like any well organised mobster they have done their homework and they are aware of loop holes that they exploit.

Once you have signed their paperwork (deed of sale) if you take the time to read the small print you pretty much give them the right to do what they like with your car if you miss a payment.

Unfortuneately third parties like wecareless sometimes also get entangled in this web and thru no fault of their own become embroiled in this rot simply to hold on to their assets.

There is no easy way to get past these guys.. I have learned one thing tho if the deed of sale is not registered at the supreme court within seven

days of it being signed then it is not valid and they have no rights over the vehicle. and yes they do slip up and they do register late.

 

I think one of the most constructive things we can do is to start a petition in the petitions forum..get as many people as possible to join it and then petition the goverment to intervene on companies who hand over money at extotionate rates. These loans should be cheap as chips considering they hold your car as security...and to charge hundreds of times higher apr then banks have when they the banks lend out on personal loans without security.

these companies work on the assumption that if the bank for whatever reason would not lend you money then you are fair game to exploit...harras..enter your property, break your car open ...and do what any loan shark or mobster would.

The goverment needs to get involved especially in these times 378% is a disgrace to the country..the office of fair trading allowing this should lose their license. lets at least help others not to fall into this. Lets petition the goverment to stop it. I for one will walk to the ends of the earth to see them closed down. I am trying to find out if it is legal for me to protest outside their premises and if it is i can tell you i will be outside mm office in london on sat morning (their busy time) with all my paper work and big signs on 2 vans warning unsuspecting customers. so if you want coffee out my flask see you there.

 

 

We agree with you regarding a petition, we would be willing to sign. We wouldn't be able to protest with you outside their office as it is too far. But would support anyone willing to do so.

 

They do need shutting down ripping people off the way they do is wrong. With times as they are at the moment i fear we will soon see alot of new people joinging this site with their stories.

 

As we have the press on our side at the moment maybe we should ask them to name this site in our story so others can get help.

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im with you on this one, i am about 50 miles away from london, and i would be happy to join you.

I think what we should do is get everyone to sign up and join us, and then we will make a day we all meet, and we can record it, and then put it on youtube as well. Just to get as much coverage as poss.

 

Well please let me know if you go ahead with this, as i am right behind you, need to have them closed down and license taken off them NOW!!!!!!

 

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