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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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A big thanks to Martin over at the Money saving expert site for pointing me in the direction of this site :D

I started my action against the rbs back on 03/05/06. I went into the bank with my £10 and printed out letter from here. The girl behind the counter knew what it was straight away, popular then!

I received my 6 years worth of bank statements not long afterwards, and when my wife and I had time, went through them and picked out all the charges. It came originally to just over £1400.

I put this all down on paper, via the template off here (thanks guys) and sent that to my local branch.

Just last thursday 29/06/06, I recieved this letter:

Dear mr rogerwilko and missus :)

Thankyou for your patience whilst awaiting my review of your charges refund request.

In connection with the individual charges detailed in your correspondence, I would like to comment on the following:-

Here, the manager of the branch goes through my claim bit by bit, and pulls it apart! Apparently I'd made some errors and put some charges down that I shouldn't have. The upshot of the revised claim is down to £785, which is still nice to claim back, she then goes on:-

We believe that our charges are fair, reasonable and transparent. We consider that the amounts debited to your account have been applied strictly in accordance with your agreement with us and our published tariff, which we are satisfied , complies with all applicable laws and regulations. We are also committed to ensuring the transparency of the information that we give to our customers about the operations of our products.

We have considered and responded to the office of Fair Tradings (OFS)statement of 5th April 2006. We do not accept the OFS's findings in relation to credit card fees. We are concerned that the OFS has publicly called in to question the setting of charges applied to other products, including current accounts. The OFS has restricted its investigation to credit cards and moade no attempt to consult with the RBS or the industry in relation to other, entirely different products.

 

Consequently, against that background, we must differ with the views expressed in your letter and will not be refunding any of the charges applied to your bank account.

 

yours sincercerly

 

yadda yadda :)

 

So, my question is: Where do I go now? Is it court action letter time? Before I head down that route, am I right to stay with my local branch on this matter, or should I now go over their heads to head office?

Big thanks so far for all the help I've recieved off this site and Martins :D

 

Chris.

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Hi there.

 

This is my first time on the Consumer Action Group Website, I watched the BBC program and thought this is it I could actually get out of debt - (hopefully):confused: .

 

I was interested to read your comments about RBS as I have just written to them asking them to provide me with charges over the last six years (they dont't give up do they, they promptly asked me for £5.00 per old statement) for me to track this myself . I have not paid it and fortunately kept most of the statements so Sunday afternoon is maths homework time!!.

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That was quick! :)

The £700 in charges I've taken out amount to 2 things I'd accidently put in twice and bank charges I'd mistakenly applied that were part of the accound I have (royalties account) I've been back through the statements, and it seems to be correct.

Like you say, it's nice to see that I've caused the manager to actually spend some time on my account though :)

 

On the subject of your statements, read the first part of the advice about the procedure on this site again, and there's a letter to send, along with £10, that will get all your statements sent to you. Rather strangely, mine came headed from the Nat-West?

 

I'll keep you all posted.

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Rogerwilko,

 

I was confused as to what to do when I received my first letter off the branch, it was worded the same as yours and the seems to be their standard 'Sod off' letter.

 

I then sent a LBA, together with a breakdown of the charges that I am claiming back, which they have received as I have had a letter off them saying it has now been passed to 'Customer Relations'.

 

If I was you I would send a LBA, giving them another 14 days.

 

There is a very good one on this site, posted by 'Imported'.

 

All the best,

 

-NEIL

Royal Bank of Scotland

24/05/06 - Requested 6 years of Statements - Received 09/06/06

12/06/06 - Initial letter sent requesting refund - Response received 21/06/06 - 'Sod Off.....'

27/06/06 - LBA Sent - 31/07/06 - Response received 31/07/06 - 'Sod Off....'

01/09/06 - Claim Submitted - 04/09/06 - Claim Issued to RBS.

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Thanks again, I'm sending this tomorrow:

 

LETTER BEFORE ACTION

 

Dear Mrs ************,

 

ACCOUNT NUMBER: *********

 

I am glad that you have responded to my letter, but disappointed that we couldn’t resolve this matter. I have amended my claim to take into account the points you raised in my previous letter.

I now understand that the regime of 'fees' which you have been applying to my account in relation to direct debit refusals, exceeding overdraft limits and so forth are unlawful at Common Law, Statute and recent Consumer regulations.

 

I would draw your attention to the terms of the contract which you agreed to at the time that I opened my account. It is an implied term of that contract that you would conduct yourselves lawfully and in a manner which complies with UK law.

 

I am frankly shocked that you have operated my account in this way as I had always reposed confidence in your integrity and expertise as my fiduciary.

 

You have calculated that you have taken £785 in charges off me in the last 6 years.

Please refer to the original letter and summary of charges for clarification.

I require repayment in full of this money. If you do not comply fully within 14 days then I shall begin a claim against you for the full amount plus interest plus my costs and without further notice.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

***********

 

 

It will be interesting to see if I now get bumped upto customer care after this one.

 

chris.

 

 

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Thanks again, I'm sending this tomorrow:

 

LETTER BEFORE ACTION

 

Dear Mrs ************,

 

ACCOUNT NUMBER: *********

 

I am glad that you have responded to my letter, but disappointed that we couldn’t resolve this matter. I have amended my claim to take into account the points you raised in my previous letter.

I now understand that the regime of 'fees' which you have been applying to my account in relation to direct debit refusals, exceeding overdraft limits and so forth are unlawful at Common Law, Statute and recent Consumer regulations.

 

I would draw your attention to the terms of the contract which you agreed to at the time that I opened my account. It is an implied term of that contract that you would conduct yourselves lawfully and in a manner which complies with UK law.

 

I am frankly shocked that you have operated my account in this way as I had always reposed confidence in your integrity and expertise as my fiduciary.

 

You have calculated that you have taken £785 in charges off me in the last 6 years.

Please refer to the original letter and summary of charges for clarification.

I require repayment in full of this money. If you do not comply fully within 14 days then I shall begin a claim against you for the full amount plus interest plus my costs and without further notice.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

***********

 

 

It will be interesting to see if I now get bumped upto customer care after this one.

 

chris.

 

 

 

fingers crossed for you. I have sent My LBA today; hand delivered to the manager of my local branch and I requested a reciept for both letters. It was for £3,490 and the second was for £2,660.19 plus any interest. I am still waiting on statements from the Halifax. No wonder I've been skint for the past few years. I can't wait to see what happens next. I had a brief chat with the manager and even he agreed that the charges were ridiculous. I won't mention the name or branch though!

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Rogerwilko,

 

I was confused as to what to do when I received my first letter off the branch, it was worded the same as yours and the seems to be their standard 'Sod off' letter.

 

I then sent a LBA, together with a breakdown of the charges that I am claiming back, which they have received as I have had a letter off them saying it has now been passed to 'Customer Relations'.

 

If I was you I would send a LBA, giving them another 14 days.

 

There is a very good one on this site, posted by 'Imported'.

 

All the best,

 

-NEIL

Have you heard anything back following your LBA?

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Have you heard anything back following your LBA?

 

No, nothing apart from the letter saying that it was being passed to the Customer Relations dept. The 14 days is up on next Tuesday, 11th July.

 

I found it funny today though as I had a phonecall off them and thought straight away it was regarding this matter. It wasn't, they were asking me if my overdraft was ok and would I like to take out a loan with lower rate of interest to my current one.

 

I'm not even using my account at the moment, I have my salary and DD sorted elsewhere until this matter is concluded.

 

All the best,

 

-NEIL

Royal Bank of Scotland

24/05/06 - Requested 6 years of Statements - Received 09/06/06

12/06/06 - Initial letter sent requesting refund - Response received 21/06/06 - 'Sod Off.....'

27/06/06 - LBA Sent - 31/07/06 - Response received 31/07/06 - 'Sod Off....'

01/09/06 - Claim Submitted - 04/09/06 - Claim Issued to RBS.

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fingers crossed for you. I have sent My LBA today; hand delivered to the manager of my local branch and I requested a reciept for both letters. It was for £3,490 and the second was for £2,660.19 plus any interest. I am still waiting on statements from the Halifax. No wonder I've been skint for the past few years. I can't wait to see what happens next. I had a brief chat with the manager and even he agreed that the charges were ridiculous. I won't mention the name or branch though!

 

Cheers angelface, I'll keep you all posted :D

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No, nothing apart from the letter saying that it was being passed to the Customer Relations dept. The 14 days is up on next Tuesday, 11th July.

 

I found it funny today though as I had a phonecall off them and thought straight away it was regarding this matter. It wasn't, they were asking me if my overdraft was ok and would I like to take out a loan with lower rate of interest to my current one.

 

I'm not even using my account at the moment, I have my salary and DD sorted elsewhere until this matter is concluded.

 

All the best,

 

-NEIL

Good luck. please keep us posted. I have read so many threads on here and very few regarding payment from the RBOS.;)

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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Well, heard from the bank last Thursday:

 

Dear Mr. xxxxxx

Your complaint regarding charges has been passed to me and I am sorry we have failed to reach an agreement with you. Please accept my apologies for any unintended inconvenience or upset.

I regret that there is little that I can add constructively to previous comments. But, having reviewed your account, I can find no instance where charges have been applied when they were not properly due. They have all been associated with a lack of covering funds in the account at the time items were presented for payment. Accordingly, the charges that have been applied to your account should stand.

 

It is disapointing to note that you are contemplating legal action against the bank. whilst I hope you will feel able to reconsider, should you decide to go ahead, please ensure that any Proceedings are served on our Registered Office address, which appears at the foot of this letter.

 

I suspect that this is unlikely to be the answer you might have hoped to receive but nonetheless thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Ian Anderson

Customer Relations

 

and the address: RBS PLC, 36, ST. ANDREW SQUARE, EDINBURGH, EH22YB.

 

So, what now? It does look like they want a fight, what chance do I have in a court against the RBS? :( My wife, after reading this last letter, is all ready to give up and let it lie, but I've come this far already!

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You get all court costs returned when they settle, which they will do!!! RBS have never shown up in court to defend a claim yet, and one bank has publicly admitted they won't defend the claims! Its your money so why let them get away with stealing it!

NatWest - Settled in full 22/05/06

 

RBS- Prelim sent 9/05/06 £1,147

£500 offer 27/05/06, rejected 30/05/06

LBA sent 25/05/06 :razz:

MCOL 15/06/06

Defence received 20/07/06

Settled in full 01/09/06 wahey!!!!!!!!!

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Well, heard from the bank last Thursday:

 

Dear Mr. xxxxxx

Your complaint regarding charges has been passed to me and I am sorry we have failed to reach an agreement with you. Please accept my apologies for any unintended inconvenience or upset.

I regret that there is little that I can add constructively to previous comments. But, having reviewed your account, I can find no instance where charges have been applied when they were not properly due. They have all been associated with a lack of covering funds in the account at the time items were presented for payment. Accordingly, the charges that have been applied to your account should stand.

 

It is disapointing to note that you are contemplating legal action against the bank. whilst I hope you will feel able to reconsider, should you decide to go ahead, please ensure that any Proceedings are served on our Registered Office address, which appears at the foot of this letter.

 

I suspect that this is unlikely to be the answer you might have hoped to receive but nonetheless thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Ian Anderson

Customer Relations

 

and the address: RBS PLC, 36, ST. ANDREW SQUARE, EDINBURGH, EH22YB.

 

So, what now? It does look like they want a fight, what chance do I have in a court against the RBS? :( My wife, after reading this last letter, is all ready to give up and let it lie, but I've come this far already!

 

I had the exact response word for word following my LBA's. I asked for them to enter into a sincere dialogue with me as oppossed to a standard letter. I guess that was asking a little bit too much. I will filing my court cliam tomorrow. Good luck to you. I must admit I keep thinking that will make an example of me by coming to court lol. Keep us posted

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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I had the exact response word for word following my LBA's. I asked for them to enter into a sincere dialogue with me as oppossed to a standard letter. I guess that was asking a little bit too much. I will filing my court cliam tomorrow. Good luck to you. I must admit I keep thinking that will make an example of me by coming to court lol. Keep us posted

 

angelface, how do I now go about progressing this matter. I've had a good think about the outcome, and I'm prepared to go ahead. This site can be confusing once you progress any further than this stage, and I'm unsure as to how to go on :(

Any help greatly appreciated :)

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Is that letter in response to your prelim or LBA?

 

If you read through the step-by-step process you will see that you sent the prelim letter, then 14 days later send the LBA, then 14 days after that start legal proceedings.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Hiya Roger,

 

the next step now is take them to court. You can use money claim online which is pretty straighforward and the particulars of the claim can be found in the library templates. It will cost you £120 but it's money well spent. If you have any probs just ask...I am sooooooooo very grateful for all the help I have recieved from the good people on here. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress

RBOS: Fob off letter recieved 28th June.

LBA for £2,690 & LBA for £3,240 sent 1st July. Replt to LBA'S recieved 14/7/06......fob off again!!! watch this space

:lol: MCOL submitted 19/07/06 :cool:

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