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    • If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's not to call and communicate via email. I passed this info on to her and they are pushing for her to call them.    "Unfortunately, you will need to call us. The conversation won’t be so black and white as to therefore type over email. In a nutshell we can confirm that the request to not pay for 3 months we cannot put in place"  I emailed them back on her behalf and said that what ever is discussed over the phone will need to be put in an email so that she can review it properly. No decisions will be made on that phone call.    "Once we speak to you on the phone we will follow up with an email to confirm the options discussed. [Phone number]"   Why are they pushing for a phone call? If its not so black and white, why can they then follow up with an email?  
    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
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hi, my brother has attended court for a CCJ, in scotland, the judge basically told Black Horse and himself to sort it out between themselves. a month later and the sheriff officers have been at his door demanding payment. he is currently out the country for a month and i have used a templet on here to offer them £50 a month, and if they cashed the cheque this agreement would stand. they cashed the cheque. as i was acting on his behalf after saying he was out the country for a month they have written back saying that as he has given no authoriation for me to act on his behalf then they will not discuss any details (which i understand) they have also said the cheque which he sent them (it was actually a chq with my name on it).

 

black horse have rejected the £50 even after cashing the cheque. within the letter i sent them was " i enclose a chq for £50 on behalf of "mr ???`s" behalf on the understanding that if this is accepted this will be his monthly payment from now on, with all interest frozen on the account so he can pay the actual debt off.

 

when the sheriff officers had been to his house i had called them explaining he was out the country for a month and i was acting on his behalf, they explained that i should write a letter explaning this and the offer of payment. my bro is back in a couple of weeks and would like to know what he does from here, they have threatened further legal action and they are looking for a substantial payment proposal.

 

sorry about the long post but im at a loss what to do to help him get this set up for the £50 a month. thanks

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im unsure thats what my bro said lol. he offered them £50 at the court and they rejected it at the court as well. i think the judge wasnt really interested as he had probable seen that many people that day.

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okay ill tell him to phone the court and find out on his return. knowing my wee bro he hasnt told me all the facts. its seems as if hes got debts upon debts coming in and aint doing anything about them. but im trying to help him out as best i can and with the help of this site

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That's exactly what I assumed...

 

Sit him down and get him to list all (and I mean ALL) his debts. Then we can start to look at which ones are enforeable and which aren't. You need a copy of that court order though!

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As Edz states we can't advise until we know what the decree (the scottish equivalent of a ccj) stated. Currently it is unsure whether one was even granted - although if sheriff officers are involved it is highly likely that one was.

 

They are correct in that they can not discuss the matter with you as this would be in breach of the Data Protection Act unless they have a document from your brother authorising you to act on his behalf.

 

Also we would need to know the details of the debt (as it's Black Horse it's likely to be some sort of loan). Once we know these details we can start to look at what options are open to your brother.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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hi, my bro has now returned from his holiday. yes the black horse was for a loan. Spoke to him and he said he had offered £50 at the court hearing. the judge said it was a bit low but he enphasised that was all he could afford and the judge told them to sort it out between themselves. he has now written to the company offering the £50 and i have advised him to send another chq for £50 for the 1st March. he has several other debts one to scottish power for £829 which they have passed to a debt collection agency and they are threatening court proceddings etc. do i cca them. would it be advisable for him to change his electricity company at this stage. they have also said that following the letter a debt collector will be attending his home at the cost of £35.

 

he also has 2 other debts 1 to lloyds tsb and one to RBS (about 5 years old) these are both with fredrickson Int ltd. i have cca`d them and with regards to one of the debts they have acknowledged his letter but they have asked him to phone them asap. i have advised him not to.

 

at this stage he has given me his bank card and he only wants a minimum amount of his wages every week so i can sort his debts out for him.

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For starters, Sheriff officers can't enforce CCJ's in Scotland, or vice versa, so check the facts there. With regards to the amount, you most likely applied for a variation order (where the judge rules the amount you pay etc) - If this was thrown out, it was because the judge didn't need to rule how much money was owed. He has probably therefore told you to send your own proposals to the sheriffs (i.e sort it out yourself).

 

Remember a sheriff can reject your offer on the basis that the claimants aren't happy. Therefore make sure when you send them your offer, you include a finance breakdown.

 

As your his other debts, pretty clean cut really, don't pay them and judgement will be issued, or they'll be passed to a collection agency who can write their own fee scale pretty much.

 

Also don't ring anyone, write only.

 

You should be able to act on his behalf as long as you get a letter of authority to the companies. (Signed by your brother)

 

NOTE - The only reason the sheriff wants you to write that your brother's out of town is so they can report it to the claimants and get it closed (as they prob think they won't get any money!) - hence they get an abortive fee.

 

Also, remember sheriffs can take further action if the matter is not paid. If they're involved - there is definately a CCJ.

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he has several other debts one to scottish power for £829 which they have passed to a debt collection agency and they are threatening court proceddings etc. do i cca them. would it be advisable for him to change his electricity company at this stage. they have also said that following the letter a debt collector will be attending his home at the cost of £35.

 

This debt is not covered by the CCA and the DCA can't lawfully add the collection charges to the account.

 

There are a number of energy trust funds available, unfortunately Scottish Power seem to be one of the few who give grants to projects rather than individuals (the trusts were set up to help people out of fuel poverty). There may be a grant available to your brother to help him pay his fuel bill. Your local CAB will know if there is one available and, if there is, should have the appropriate forms to fill in to apply.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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hi all, can i have some help urgently. i cca`d 2 debts that my brother was being chased for from fredrickson ltd. now letters have came from bryan carter about these. one they have acknowledged his lloyds tsb debt and it is currently on hold and the other 2 rbs they are threatening court action. now i have checked royal mail and the RBS was signed for (no electronic proof as yet). he has until the 28th to repond. the chq for the rbs one has not been cashed. do i cca Bryan carter? thanks

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hi, following a letter to bryan carter and co saying that the account was in dispute etc etc, they have now passed the debt to Apex (formerly BCW group) and have sent it to my mothers address. i called up as if i was my mum and informed them that he did not stay there, they asked what his address was and i said i would`nt give it out as they should no that information as the previous company fredrickson ltd had been cca`d and they should have all the information. i also said that if they proceeded to send letters to (my mothers address) then i would be cotnacting trading standards about them. they are now by there 12+2 days and heading fast to the 30days. what do i do now, do i sit it out until the 30days is up and then take all my informtion to trading standards even though they have moved the debt to another company. still waiting for the credit agreement.

 

an update on the CCJ black horse, we sent a chq away for £50 as promised when we 1st contacted them and they have cashed it. they have now cashed 2 chq for £50 and black horse have personally written to him saying this isnt enough. would a covering letter be suitable to say this is all he can afford at the moment and will review in one years time at a possiblity of increasing the amount and enclose his finacial expenditure.

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my brother received a notification through his door from the sheriff officers saying he has not to sell anything in in house and he has not to sell his house re his CCJ vs black horse. black horse had written back to him saying the £50 was not enough but have also sent a pay in book. they have now cashed 2 x£50 chqs. where does he stand on this. we are going to go and see trading standards today for help on this as i seem to be getting nowhere and dont no how to help him next.

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