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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. 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Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. 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just going back over all my statements for my arrears payments made on my mortgage.

 

still refusing to give anything back to me.

 

well just noticed that in the month of July in 2004 they had increased the fee from £15 a month to £40 a month. thats and increase of 63% or there abouts each month for admin fees. back then ir was called service charges fees and costs. now it is called arrears admin fees. same thing different name. also

 

back in 2004 they never charged interest on the service charges also arrears at the end of the day.

 

it was then in the month of apr 2005 they changed the name to arrears admin fees and then added interest to the arrears.

 

 

 

anyway all the interest aside as it was only something like £1.50 a month.

 

how on this earth did they manage to increase the admin fees by that much over a short period an extra £25 on arrears payment would love to see how that was worked out.

 

did the staff that do the work to amend the arrears get a pay increase of 63% at the same time or was that the share holders that got it.

 

not sure why im posting this just wonder if anyone else noticed it and knows the answer for the increase in admin fees.

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Greed I think. I have just got £1700 back from similar charges. Not subject to test case so I would be claiming them back if I was you.

BANK CHARGES

Nat West Bus Acct £1750 reclaim - WON

 

LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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Oh yes. Well I claimed for £1900 and settled for £1700 today after a lot of haggling. But yes I added on the interest that was charged on their unlawful charges.

BANK CHARGES

Nat West Bus Acct £1750 reclaim - WON

 

LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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this is the bit i can't work out. do i claim the extra £1.50 odd charges they added to the arrears or do i try and work out how much they added at the end of the year to the now increased mortgage.

 

did that make sense.

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its ok have worked it out.

 

just noticed the wording Arrears Admin Fees which is £40 a go.

 

now you would think from the wording that this is for the arrears.

 

but no its for when i have paid late. this is proved by still being charged interest on the arrears, when i have paid on time, there is no charge. however when i have paid a few days late i have been charged £40 for arrears admin fees. no they mean layte payment.

 

will ring them again tomorrow and see what they have to say. as my home is still under threat of a cpo order from the local housing assoctiation. want to get this sorted quick if i can. as will be paying them off soon.

 

also noticed on reading back over my accounts. i managed to clear my arrears within the year this was only £158.72, but it cost me £400 in charges plus £85 in interest or there abouts. not a

bad turn around. they still got there money i owed and they made and extra £485 for one year for doing nothing

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just spoke to Barclays mortgages. i asked how the fee jumped from£15 for arrears to £40 for arrears each month.

 

anwser is this the FSA set the payment rules. hahahaha the fsa set the banks charges. thats why the OFT have taken the banks to court in a test case then.

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Volelrok....FSA do not set any charges. It is the responsibility of the Co to set the charge, they simply have to register with the FSA.

 

It is my belief that Barclays cannot explain their increase and that it was a penalty for you breaching the contract and therefore refundable.

 

Check your original contract...if it states they have the right to charge a "reasonable" charge for breaching the payment clause then it could be seen as they have breached the contract by charging an unreasonable amount. It worked for me!

 

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i didn't beleive for one minute that the FSA set banking charges and that they would say £40 is fare for a late payment by 5 days.

 

sent my letter off today to the bank asking for my money back. used the template that zoot so kindly put together.

 

will check the contract after dinner.

 

thank you mrsfoot

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Volelrok....FSA do not set any charges. It is the responsibility of the Co to set the charge, they simply have to register with the FSA.

 

It is my belief that Barclays cannot explain their increase and that it was a penalty for you breaching the contract and therefore refundable.

 

Check your original contract...if it states they have the right to charge a "reasonable" charge for breaching the payment clause then it could be seen as they have breached the contract by charging an unreasonable amount. It worked for me!

 

 

here are the original T&C first one is the payments part, second is for events of default. wording isn't quite the same. any advise.

 

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now im sure i was told these charges would not be added to the debt at this time and will only effect the mortgage at the end.

 

somehow i think i was lied to. i could have paid the fines and not incurred added interest to my mortgage and an extra £1600 just found another years worth of statements.

just got to find the first 2yrs now. im sure i was charged on them to. in total i would say about £2000 in charges. the year i just found i was charged 14 times. highest being £82.25 not sure what it was for just says Service Charges, Fees & Costs next to it.

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Just had a letter from the very nice people at barclays mortgages.

 

"We are sorry that you have had to contact us about your mortgage, Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do so"

 

Trust me it was no trouble at all. honest i wont even charge you for my time.

 

the usual guff,. we will contact you in 4 weeks at the most. well not quite i have told you that you have that long to give me back the monies you have charged me on my account.

 

this bit cracked me up. "Thank you for bring this to my attention".

 

like he dont already know. his a team leader on his reply.

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time to send a LBA to Barclays Mortgages. spoke with them today. mentioned what i will be sending. also that i have amended it to include an extra year and a rough guess at the 2 yrs before that.

 

the woman on the phone stated that they will check it against the records to see if i was correct or had over or under guessed.

 

sit back and wait another 21 days now. gave them an extra 7 days to check there records against mine as my claim was updated.

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have just had a letter from barclays. they say that they don't want to pay the money back. i sent my LBA letter off yesterday. do i give them a chance to reply to it, or should i just file my N1 claim and be done with it.

 

cheers for any help. im of the thinking give them another chance before i feel i have to take it to court and waste court time getting back money taken by the bank.

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I would give them a few more days, but guess that you will probably end up having to issue the N1.

BANK CHARGES

Nat West Bus Acct £1750 reclaim - WON

 

LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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I would give them a few more days, but guess that you will probably end up having to issue the N1.

 

i will follow the format laid out of allowing them 14 days plus the extra 7 i gave them. see what happens.

 

but i don't doubt i will have to fill in the N1.

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Hi Voglerok

 

Stick to your time schedule. If you sent your LBA off Monday then they must be given 14 days from receipt. Check on www.royalmail.com as to when the received it.

 

You will have to go down the N1 route I am sure of it.....all banks want to keep the money the believe was lawfully taken and hope for ppl to either make a mistake (see lloyds win), give up with the claim or give them to much time.

 

Good luck

 

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had a letter back from Barclays today. they will be going back over the file and get back to me.

i sent the letter to Bill Foster. there heading of there letter was in reply your lettere to Bill Foster.

 

is he real or is he a made up name. anyone ever got to speak to him.? i keep getting he isn't about at present when i ring. seeing as he took the time to write to me or did he? as the letter had his name at the bottom of it.

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Hi Voglerok

 

I have pm'd you a reply to your question.

 

Some things vital to remember:

 

1. Always give tghe time scale that you have informed them of in your letters.

2. Never call...always complete all correspondance in writing so you have proof of what was said / spoke about

3. Take little notice of signatures on letters, mostly they are spat out by a pc and either printed on presigned paper or the signature has been entered onto the pc and just forms part of the letter.

 

As far as I can see you have a 7 days left before your LBA expires. Give them the time you stated then complete the N1 form. Do not correspond with the bank as they very rarely pay out until they see you are serious and this is normally only at the court stage!

 

If you need help with the N1 then shout out!

 

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sorted they are paying it all back i have won against barclays without going to court. amendments are being made today, should have a letter by next week.

 

they even worked out the compounded interest for me as i was charging them 8%.

 

£2026 removed from my mortgage of late payment charges.

 

also Hillseden security have agreed drop there case also for £665 and remove all files from my credit report.

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Well done Vogelrok, I wish Amber could be so sensible...They managed to get the judgment I got against them set aside yesterday, but not their extortionate costs of £1300!

 

Well done again!

 

Prabs

 

 

Keep at them i hope and wish you well in fighting them.

 

they tried to offer me half. i said no. i then told them because i have a CPO on my home i have no choice but to sell. the best bit was the woman from barclays told me i should keep up my payments and i wont get in this mess. i wasn't impressed with this reply one bit. only one person in this land can impose a CPO in this land. that my friend is the secratery of state, not the banks. 2 mins later full payment was given and removed from my account.

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That's what makes me laugh....they all think we have no resources or ideas when it comes to the law....that has been changing rapidly over the last year or so and it will not be much longer before the banks and mortgage lenders realise that the credit crunch is not their only problem...they have been getting away with murder for too long now...

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it sure is Penfold.

 

have just spoken with my credit union going over monday to open up a new savings account and current account with them. within the next year they are looking at business accounts to.

 

had an email from abbey about opening up my business account with them. sent back a reply saying no thank you i wont be using your services as your 1 of the 8 in the test case against the people of this country and want no part of them. it felt good to be able to do it.

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