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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
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I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? 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Had a default placed on my account by these lovely people, had some hilarious letters sent back by them basically telling me to get lost.

 

S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent yesterday, going to reclaim any charges and get the default off too. Should be relatively simple!

NatWest - WON! £3350 Paid back

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Citicards - Judgement awarded for £1898, default remains though...for now....

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Yeah i've been reading up on the wins with Capital One. I have no problems taking it to court, the default amount is only £300 odd, and was applied 4 years ago. Based upon that, and the fact most of it is made up charges i'm hoping they wont bother persuing a court case for such a small amount of money.

NatWest - WON! £3350 Paid back

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Capital One- WON! Settled out of Court £392 + Default Removal!

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All statements and manual intervention recieved today (very promptly, and Special Delivery too!).

 

Charges only amount to £360, spanning a year but the point is it amounts to more than the default amount they placed on my credit file (hurrah!). Preliminary Request for Repayment to be sent first thing tomorrow.

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Are you going to ask for Contractual Interest?

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The standard 8%? Yup

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Ok, the 8% you can ask for at the court stage, not in your preliminary letter. You will probably get a small offer of some charges back, but if you follow the procedures you should get all of your charges back. You will have to file with the court first though. It has been this way for over a year now.

 

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Yeah i realised my error this morning, i've sent out the letter not inclusive of any interest charges, and i've stated this in my Preliminary letter. I will argue the Interest if/when it gets to a court stage, we're not talking a massive amount here though, roughly £30.

 

The main thing i'm looking to resolve is the outstanding default, which is less than the total accumilated charges.

NatWest - WON! £3350 Paid back

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Reply recieved nice and quickly today. Offering me the difference (as expected)

 

Quick question though in terms of next steps. Shall i get a copy of the CCA and send the LBA still (accepting the partial offer).

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Sent rejection letter today! :D

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Good, now the wait. .

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Long wait no doubt, given the postal strikes.

 

LBA, then Court Action! Hooray!

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Recieved a reply to my rejection letter!

 

Generic words to the effect of:

 

'Our offer stands, get lost sucker, here sign another form (which they didnt attach), this is my final letter, let's put this behind us so we can save the court's valuable time.'

 

Ellie Renshaw.

 

I find the last bit hilarious! Save the courts valuable time! How about you just pay me instead then!

 

I'm going to file an N1 soon (when funds allow as decorating comes first!). How much does is cost to file? Amount is only around £350...

 

I suppose the steps after filing will include, full offer, neglecting the default on my Credit File. They tell the court i've settled. I then disagree, they remove default, i go and buy my new tv?

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Capital One- WON! Settled out of Court £392 + Default Removal!

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Remember to mention clearly on your N1 that this is regarding a credit card account otherwise it gets stayed automatically until the OFT case.....i made this mistake and then had to send separate forms and charges requesting a lift on the stay...

Co-Operative bank default removal - succesfull december 2007.

 

Capital One Bank default removal - succesfull february 2008.

 

Co-Operative bank Visa default removal- Claim filed March 2008

 

Smile default removal - ongoing

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Where abouts? They wont be offended by CAPITALS will they?

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When I handed mine in the clerk said they knew Crap One it weren't bank claims so there wouldn't be a problem, and there wasn't. To make sure, I put "......return of penalty charges levied to the claimants Crdit Card Account" in the Brief Details of Claim part on the first page of the N1. Suppose it depends what Court it is as well and how up on things they are. I filed at Walsall. Did the same on OH's Snatchwest claim and that hasn't been stayed either.

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Thanks Wendy - how much was the fee for filing?

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It was £80 when I did my Crap One claim, but the fees have changed now from 1st October. Have copied from Courts website for you

 

up to £300

£30

£300.01 – £500

£45

£500.01 – £1,000

£65

£1,000.01 – £1,500

£75

£1,500.01 – £3,000

£85

£3,000.01 – £5,000

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Sorry if it seams that I'm hijackking I'ts not my intention!

hi I'm Claiming

£818 in Charges

£230 Self litigation Fee

£211.25 Stat 8% interest to date and

daily rate of £0.18

when I put total claimed on my N1 do I include the stat interest to date ie; total ammount claimed £1259.25 or £1048.00

I would be grateful for any help

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:)Surely life can't get any worse it has to only get better from hear on out:)

 

LTSB- My claim like thousands of others is Stayed

Cap 1-See my tread about that one

Barclaycard- Won before court stage

GE capital -2 accounts and LTSB card letter asking for refund stage (Waiting for out come of the above to carry on with these ones )

Sars sent for all my mums accounts

About to start PPI claims on My Mums accounts

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Thats what I did on mine, except I didn't have a self litigation fee (whatever that is). I put the part about the daily rate underneath the total that I'd put in the value part.

 

As you've already got a Capital One thread of your own best thing to do would be to post any questions on that.

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Is it worth applying for CCA before i proceed to court?

 

I want to get a default removed, and feel this could come in useful for leverage.

 

Andy

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UK and Doo (Ithink) is your best bets for this one, but as far as I know you should be able to get the default removed if the charges make up the most part of the default. The advice is to claim default and charges as the same claim.

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Might do that first then, wait the 14 days then issue the N1

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Hi Andy

 

I would get a CCA anyway. I have a feeling you may have an Application form and not a fully executed agreement. Worth a look. If this is the case then let us know.

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I don't remember signing anything! But then again it was 2002 and that was an awful long time ago.

 

CCA sent today - recorded delivery.

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