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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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If anyone has any useful documents to incude with budles please can you send them to: [email protected]

 

To start us off - the following documents are the historical Codes of Practices for the ABI and the FLA. These will be of particular use for claims relating to PPI prior to FSA regulation of PPI in 2005, although the latest FLA Guide is also included.

 

PPI Codes of Practice

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Citing Fraud

 

There may be some basis for citing fraud, however it does have to be remembered that the burden of proof is on the Claimant - unlike with the Misrepresentation Act which switches the burden of proof.

 

The following caselaw allows for fraudulent misrepresentation where the person making the representation gave it without caring if it was correct or not. The finer detail is discussed elsewhere on the forum - and of course, you are reminded that you should seek proper legal advice before proceeding with any claim.

 

Derry v Peek (1889)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Including PPI in the total loan and adding interest.

 

Personally I am not 100% certain of this issue myself - but again this caselaw is discussed elsewhere on the forum, and the full text is always useful.

 

 

North London Securities v Meadows (2005)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Burden of Proof in relation to Misrepresentation Act claims:

 

This is extremely useful in that it establishes that a customer should be able to rely on the information given, and that even without an intent to misrepresent, if the consequences of a misrepresentation are such that a customer is disadvantaged then that is enough.

 

It also establishes that a clause in a contract which states that a signature indicates full acceptance is not valid where it would be unlikely that the customer would have the skill and inclination to go through the fine detail.

 

In many ways this is a killer piece of caselaw - read and enjoy:

 

 

Howard Marine v A Ogden (1975)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks to hellhasnofury for this case, which may be of use to those who have taken out loans through a broker(link to full judgement below):

 

 

I came accross this court case precedent regarding brokers commission and responsibility, and wondered if it would be useful for a court bundle in this situation.

 

Decision in Hurstanger v Wilson [2007] EWCA Civ 299

 

This is may be of relevance to all members who pay fees to brokers.

 

Case Summary

 

The borrowers (Mr Wilson and Ms Burton) obtained a loan through a

broker. The broker had a fiduciary relationship with the borrowers and

received commission from the lender.

 

At issue was whether the broker had received secret commission from the

lender and whether informed consent had been given by the borrowers.

 

The borrowers signed a form which indicated that commission might be

paid but they argued that informed consent had not been given because

they did not know the amount of the commission.

 

It was held that the broker may only receive commission if the borrower

consented to this with full knowledge of all material circumstances. The

Court of Appeal held that the commission, in this case, was not “secret”

but informed consent had not been given as the amount of commission

had not been disclosed. (Accordingly they awarded the amount of the

commission plus 1.29% simple interest from the date of the agreement’s

inception).

 

The Court also held that in cases where the broker does not disclose

that she is in receipt of commission from the lender, the commission

will be “secret”, the broker potentially guilty of fraud, and the entire

loan liable to be rescinded.

 

Implications

 

The legal teams of all members who pay commission to brokers should

consider the impact of the decision on their business.

 

Full Text: Wilson v Hurstanger

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Conflict of Interest and Commission/Bonuses

 

This is not for the faint-hearted, and be aware that you may have to argue this in court. However, if you are looking to back up an argument of fraudulent misrepresentation, then this is a useful starting point, and well worth including in your bundle.

 

It is a 36 minute discussion that was broadcast on the Radio 4 Money Box programme in 2005. I have included the original BBC News page from the website, an mp3 of the full interview, and a copy of the transcript.

 

Could be well worth thirty-six minutes of your time - but again, please do not consider this route unless you feel able to argue your case:

 

 

BBC News Article

 

Transcript

 

Full Discussion 33.8MB - You have been warned!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Another useful document regarding conflicts of interest comes from the Chartered Insurance Institute. It is guidance for members on dealing with potential conflicts of interest, and whilst it is not binding on loan companies, the document must be seen as a very authorititive view of potential conflicts of interest and the risk to customers where those conflicts are not properly managed.

 

Of particular note is this paragraph on mitigating potential conflicts:

 

 

 

Some examples of methods which can be used to manage potential conflicts include:

  • a hospitality and/or gift register;


  • restrictions on gifts and hospitality individuals may accept;
  • information barriers or ‘chinese walls’ between different business units to prevent free flow of confidential information;
  • changes to remuneration arrangements for the firm and individual staff to avoid incentives and targets which may encourage misuse of information or giving poor advice;


  • increasing disclosure to clients and obtaining informed consents from them;


  • information systems designed to provide timely and accurate information;


  • reporting structures to build in checks and balances to promote objective judgement;


  • recording of and justification for decisions when selecting products or suppliers;


  • documenting why and how recommendations are being made to customers;


  • complaints handling and claims settlement procedures.


I would particularly highlight the advice regarding remuneration.

 

This is the link to the full document.

 

CII Conflicts of Interest

 

 

 

 

 

 

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not sure if anyone has come across the dti report from oct 04 or whether it's discussed in other posts with regards to ticking boxes on agreements with PPI included. it says to look at part iii of schedule 5 of CCA but i can find schedule 5.

 

 

For a copy click here: DTI Document

 

last section titled

 

'Signatures for the purchase of additional contracts of insurance'

 

any ideas

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Another useful document was published this week by the OFT in the form of revised guidance for Consumer Credit Licence holders. This document is well worth reading, and will cause severe discomfort for some companies.

 

OFT PRESS RELEASE

 

DOCUMENT

 

 

 

 

 

 

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