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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

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Hello All

 

Im now ready to send in my first letter with spreadsheets to RBOS to claim back the charges.

 

Ive received 6 years worth of Statements this weekend for 2 accounts, and Ive input the incurred charges into the complex bank charges spreadsheets.

 

I intend to double check the data over the next few days. On thing I haven't done yet is included for any interest free overdraft on the royalties account. This account changed between, basic royalties, royalties gold and royalties premier over the 6 years.

 

Could someone advise if there are any interest free overdraft amounts on these a/cs. I would be happy to email my spreadsheets for checking if anyone is willing to look over them.

 

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Yes there are interest free amounts, best to get up to date figures from your branch, but I have written out info on Royalties accounts etc in the RBS charges link in my sig. Interest free amounts might have changed since I posted this, but there is a lot of help in there all the same.

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Hi

 

Received my first letter back from Sandy Watt. - just within 14 days of my first letter with spreadsheets.

 

"thank you for your recent letter regarding charges applied to your accounts.

 

We are currently considering your claim and will respond as soon as possible"

 

Should I wait or send the next letter?

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your timescales not theirs. once your deadline is up, send the next one.

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RBS CA1 £2794 SETTLED!!! RBS CA2 £503 SETTLED!!! HBOS CC £498 SETTLED!!! Barclaycard £705 (with CCI) ONGOING!!! NATWEST CA ONGOING!!! LLOYDS CA x 2, CC, LOAN ONGOING!!! HFC LOAN ONGOING!!!

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Ive just received a 2nd response (received 19.4.07) from RBOS regarding 1 of 2 of my accounts I am claiming for. They have offered the full amount for the penalties only, not including interest on penalties.

 

The account they have offered on was for a couple of hundred pounds.

 

But the second account which is the main claim for about £1500 has not been responded to at all.

 

Do you think they are trying to be clever to see what my reaction is to the first account before responding?

 

Should I accept the full amount on account 1 now or wait to see if I get a similar response to the main account?

 

My LBA letters on both accounts of 16/4/07 have set the deadline of 14 days before a claim of 30/4/07.

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Have you sent letters seperately ie one for each account?

 

You have probably received this offer first because it is (for them) financially not worth arguing about. The probably have bands something similar and on reviewing the amount they put it in category. For example a) pay out straight away b) review c) take to court d) refuse.

 

So the offer is good news. How much difference would the interest make? If this is debit interest and it is worth figting for, you could refuse this and state you want the full amount but that is a personal decision. No harm in accepting this now before receiving anything on the other one.

 

MAKE SURE though that you don't sign their acceptance letter. It could be construed as you accepting this as settlement of this complaint in full and therefore aren't owed anything on the second account. If you head over to my RBS thread I made a claim on late last year, you will find I typed up my own acceptance letter - I've typed up the letter too so you can copy it. I was in exact same position as you ;) Congrats on the offer! Progress!

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T4FF

 

thanks for your post, yes I send all letters seperately.

 

As the debit interest is only a few pounds, Im happy to accept their full offer on this account.

 

As you advised, Im going to write back using your sample as a guide advising I accept this but intend to continue chasing one the main account, and also not to send back their acceptaance letter.

 

Hope the version below is OK.....

 

 

For the attention of Mark Douthwaite

The Royal Bank of Scotland

Customer Relations

Customer Central Support

First Floor

The Forthstone

56 South Gyle Crescent

Edinburgh

EH12 9LE

 

22-04-2007

 

Your reference XXXXXXXXXX

 

Dear Sir,

 

ACCOUNT NUMBER: XXXXXXXX

 

Thank you for your undated letter received 19th April. I wish to accept your offer of settlement of £XXX.XX on the above account. This will be on the basis of a full and final settlement of my complaint on the above account on the grounds that any future charges will stand.

 

To clarify my position, I am currently in the process of reclaiming fees on our other account (no XXXXXX) I will be progressing my complaint on this account in due course and my acceptance of this settlement will in no way alter my proceedings on my other account.

 

I look forward to receiving the funds by return.

 

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wait to hear back before sending off..

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I know I probably had this in mine....

 

"on the grounds that any future charges will stand"

 

....but it would get rid of that bit. I had kept it in mine because I knew I was closing my account and wouldn't have any more charges. If you were to be charged again in the future you'd want to claim them back right? Reword the first paragraph a bit in order for it to make sense once you've removed that bit ;)

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LBA letter on account 2 has the deadline of 30th April 07 and I haven't received a response yet. With the weekend coming up I've got plenty of time to get prepared for the court application which will need to be lodged on 1st May should nothing come in the post beforehand.

 

I would welcome help to a step by step guide to the next stage from anyone.

 

thanks

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Whether you do this or not is entirely up to you, but reckon it's worth it right if just to give them a little more time....

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/show-post/post-763619.html

 

Obviously this all depends on whether you WANT to go to court or not. If you do, then proceed (and read through the library forum, can't help you sorry, never got that far), otherwise give them another 7 days with this letter.

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RBS CA1 £2794 SETTLED!!! RBS CA2 £503 SETTLED!!! HBOS CC £498 SETTLED!!! Barclaycard £705 (with CCI) ONGOING!!! NATWEST CA ONGOING!!! LLOYDS CA x 2, CC, LOAN ONGOING!!! HFC LOAN ONGOING!!!

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Thanks for that.

 

Ive waited until 2 may 07 to see if any post has come, as expected nothing has come through. So the 7 day letter has been sent.

 

Is it worth me emailing Sandy Watts with it? If so can anyone let me know the email address.

 

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Still nothing has come through as of 5th May

 

Email to Sandy Watts gone off today together with pdf attachments of correspondence, requesting an update by return.

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Think there's an extra dot in there, not sure. As in....

 

sandy.watts

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RBS CA1 £2794 SETTLED!!! RBS CA2 £503 SETTLED!!! HBOS CC £498 SETTLED!!! Barclaycard £705 (with CCI) ONGOING!!! NATWEST CA ONGOING!!! LLOYDS CA x 2, CC, LOAN ONGOING!!! HFC LOAN ONGOING!!!

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Ive just received this email reply from Sandy Watts on a bank holiday!

 

"Dear XXXX

I would appear that we have not received your returned acceptance form for a/c XXXXXXX. Against that background, I have arranged for a 'duplicate copy' of the form to be sent to you. With regard to your claim for a/c XXXXXX, our response will be issued within the time-scale set by the FSA."

 

I specifically did not return the acceptance form on first account, simply sent a letter as advised by T4FF as posted earlier.

 

Should I go to the next stage on account 2 despite sending the 7 day letter?

 

 

 

 

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Ive WON!!!

 

Recieved a letter today from RBOS regarding our main a/c to advise that they offered the full amount!!! - over £1500!!!

 

Thanks to all on this website who contribute so much time and assistance to all those people who are in the process of claiming...

 

Dont give up, you will all get there in the end..

 

I'll add my total to the survey once payment received..

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