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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I tried to make an appointment with my local GP a couple of years ago as I was travelling through South East Asia shortly after the Boxing Day Tsunami. I had about Three Months time before my departure when I first went to the doctors and was told that I had to prove that I was no longer in the Army as I was not entitled to treatment after having numerous appointments cancelled and being fobbed off by them.

 

Eventually when I got past the staff and spoke to a Nurse a few days before I left she said that I was being unreasonable and I should have given them some time to sort it out. I asked if Three Months would be enough because that is how long I had been trying to see them.

 

I do not have discharge papers as I have moved house a few times and not kept track of them as I was glad to be out of the Army and saw no reason to keep them.

 

Can I still not see a doctor, even if I really need one or is there a way of replacing my papers?

 

Oh, I travelled to Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia and Australia with no innoculations after tye Nurse blamed ME for coming to see them at the very last minute without phoning in advance!

 

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You can ask for a new (copy) red book by contacting the Veteran's Agency on 0800 169 2277.

 

As far as accessing NHS primary care is concerned, you are perfectly entitled to register with a doctor. Even whilst serving, a member of the armed forces can be seen by a NHS doctor under the temporary resident scheme. It should not be necessary for you to prove that you are no longer serving - you are entitled to treatment. Contact your local Primary Care Trust, who can ensure that you are registered. Even if a practice says it isn't accepting new patients, the PCT can place you with a GP.

 

You may also find the ARmy Rumour SErvice at British Army Rumour Service a useful source of help and information.

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I would be interested in knowing how many ex forces personnel whose medical records have been lost?

I know of at least 4 (including husband) within my small area, who when they went to register with an nhs gp have discovered that their medical records had disappeared!

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I would be interested in knowing how many ex forces personnel whose medical records have been lost?

I know of at least 4 (including husband) within my small area, who when they went to register with an nhs gp have discovered that their medical records had disappeared!

 

This is not suprising my documents have also gone missing, and i have gulf war illness but because there are no medical records i am finding it hard to prove that I am ill because of my service.

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It is curious that so many military medical records seem to go missing, not least because of the simple procedures in place to archive them and forward the relevant parts to the NHS. However, MOD has claimed not to have casualty figures for Op TELIC, which was proved to be no more than a lie, so they have demonstrated that they cannot be relied upon to be truthful.

 

I really find it hard to believe that any serviceman's medical records can go missing entirely without trace.

 

Military medical records are contained within a file cover (FMed4); the record of routine GP consultations is written on a card (FMed5); when full, these were edited and archived. Whenever a referral to hospital or elsewhere was made, the details are on an FMed7 - one copy to the hospital, one to the FMed4, and one to the central archive. The same goes for medicals and so on - a copy in the FMed4 and a copy to archives. Whenever a FMed4 goes anywhere, it's receipted. Nowadays, of course, much of it is computerised, but in addition to the digital record, hard copy printouts are kept.

 

When an individual leaves the services, a summary of their records is sent to the NHS Central Registry at Smedley Hydro, so that their new GP can send for them.

 

So, if MoD are claiming that records are lost, then they've managed to misplace the individual's personal medical record, any hospital records, and the archived copies. Oh, and if you've been on ops they've also lost the Field Medical record as well. How very careless of them.

 

Anyone with Gulf War Syndrome should also have specific records held by the med group who investigated it.

 

I am aware that some units (especially Army), don't give service leavers the correct information about how to register, and that some NHS GPs don't know how to request ex-service records, but if many people are having difficulties then something needs to be done.

 

I would be very interested to know what those whose records appear to be missing have done to pursue them, and what answers MOD have given.

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Well for a start my OH is from nth Ire.He is ex navy and was in forces during time of first gulf war.

When he went to register with NHS doctor in naval town, the response was that his records had been lost.

Given the amount of naval personnel in this particular town , I would have thought that they would have been well practised in obtaining the records.

The same response was given when registering with new GP, Also doctor brothers on both sides of family have been unable to enlighten him.

As [reviously stated I know at least three others who (ex army) whose records have been lost.

The interesting part is that they were all in forces during first gulf war!!!!

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Has your OH spoken to anyone at MOD about his records, such as the Veteran's Agency? Coincidentally, I registered with a NHS GP in a naval town, and it took 9 months for my records to appear, and only then because I used my knowledge of military/NHS med admin to help the process.

 

There is considerable interest in military healthcare from both MPs and the media at the moment. One of the specific areas of interest is in what happens when people leave the forces. The Defence Committee of the Commons is currently looking at healthcare, and I am part of a group that will be submitting written evidence to the committee. I would welcome any information, which will be treated in strict confidence (any specific case submitted to the committee will be anonymised, and only used with consent).

 

If records are being lost, or if MOD or the NHS systems are not robust enough, this is a good chance to change things for the better.

 

Feel free to pm me if you prefer.

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Anyone who has had problems obtaining their service medical records should contact:

 

Derek Kirk

Disclosures Officer

APC HQ

Ministry of Defence

Kentigern House

65 Brown Street

Glasgow

G2 8EX

 

Tel: 0141 224 2575

Fax: 0141 224 3518

 

Send him a SAR asking for copies of all medical records.

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if not serving anymore do I still go to post 12

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S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 22nd Jan 2007

Prilim letter sent asking for £683 + £93.67 interest Total =£776.67

LBA 2nd April

N1 filed 23rd April 8%

Claim settled in FULL £969.93 30th May 2007

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if not serving anymore do I still go to post 12

 

 

Yes.

 

Anyone considering following the advice in post 13 should also be aware that their med centre may not have all the documents. Those still serving who want a copy of all their records (e.g. hospital notes rather than summaries, archived stuff etc.), can get them by applying via their medical centre; if the med centre claim not to be aware of the process (it happens), UPO/RAO/Gen Office can advise.

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I must say that I have had quite the oppisite experience.

 

When I came out the forces under a MD I applied through my Manning & Records (Glasgow) for a copy of all my Med Docs FMed 4 as I was entitled to these by law.

 

Sure enough 4 weeks later I received a full copy of my Docs covering every single event from the day I joined, Gulf innoculations etc.

 

Have not given these to my GP, just wanted to have a copy (just in case).

 

Tim.

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For those still serving the following information may be of use:

 

Appendix 1 to Chap. 4 of JSP 400 provides the latest guidance on access to medical records by individuals. Essentially, it states that under Data Protection Act 98, on submission of a written request and verification of identity, a full copy of records held electronically and manually is to be provided.

 

There seems to be a misapprehension amongst some med staff that if a claim against MOD is contemplated records can only be released to a solicitor; this is incorrect. In any case, the individual is not obliged to say why they want the records.

 

Picking up on Tiger Tim's post, it's probably a good idea for anyone leaving the forces to get a copy of their med records, especially if they are on any sort of treatment - the process of records being sent from military to NHS Central Registry and thence to a GP can be a long one.

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War Pensioners are supposed to get priority treatment on the NHS (for the injury or condition for which the War Pension was awarded), but many NHS Trusts seem to ignore it. We are assured by the flaccid Derek Twigg MP, a junior defence minister and New Labour apparatchik, that the MOD reminds the NHS of its obligations every two years - so that's all right then.

 

Any War Pensioner having difficulties should quote the document to be found below, which is the latest version: HSG (97)31: Priority treatment for war pensioners : Department of Health - Publications and statistics

The Service Personnel and Veteran's Agency can give more advice.

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MOD has issued (Apr 07) updated guidance on how units are to deal with SARs from serving members.

 

A SAR can be submitted by letter, or by using the new MOD F1694 - Subject Access Request form.

 

Note that the F1694 requires the submitter to identify which documentation they require; whilst 'all data held' can be used. Somewhat confusingly, the form says that it should be sent to one of a list of 'central' addresses. However, I am informed that it can also be submitted to the Data Compliance Officer at the individual's unit, who can action the provision of data held locally and forward the request for any other data (e.g. to APC).

 

For med docs, the F1694 can be submitted direct to the medical centre. I spoke recently to MOD Info Access Pol, who advise that it is not acceptable for individuals to photocopy their own notes; not only should the SAR be passed to the MO first (to determine if redaction is necessary), the DPA requires that data controllers provide data in a legible format. The responsibility for copying documents is the data controller's. In addition to a photocopy of the FMed 4 and contents, an EMIS printout should be provided.

 

MOD's guidance (available on DefenceNet) is clear on the statutory time limits and that if for some reason they cannot be adhered to the requester is to be notified in writing, and whatever data is held should be provided in the meantime.

 

There is also a complaints procedure that refelcts the individual's right to complain to the Information commissioner. AGAI Ch70 or the RAF and RN equivalents can still be used, however.

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