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    • What type of finance is it?   HP, PCP, Loan? They want her to ring so they can bully her into making payments she can't afford...unless she can record her calls then IMHO, I'd keep everything in writing. Is £400 SSP her only income? There's no chance they will justify taking half of that.   Lodge a formal complaint with them ASAP, exhaust it, and then you can escalate it sooner rather than later, ruddy sharks!  
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    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
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I haven't been asked to pay another £100 as yet but I'm presuming when I receive my next correspondence from the court they will request payment.

 

Good luck with yours - let me know how you get on.

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Hello all

I still haven't heard anything from the court but am hopeful it will be imminent!

I have just been reading through my correspondence and have re-read my claim form when submitting my mcol and noted the sentence regarding the interest calculation up to judgement or earlier payment (at a daily rate of 0.021%). Could someone clarify as to whether this daily rate is applicable to just the interest I have already calculated or to the total amount of my claim? In addition, at what date do I calculate this from until? Is this something that I calculate or is it the responsibility of the court?

Thank you in advance.

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I have now received an AQ (N149) from the court. I have completed this thanks to the information in the FAQ's.

 

Can someone confirm if there is any other information I should send to the Court along with my AQ? I have read conflicting reports whereby some people have and some haven't sent schedule of charges with their AQ.

 

In addition I have also come accross reports where people have sent a copy of the AQ to their bank for information. Is this correct?

 

Thanks,

Judge24

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The court should already have your schedule of charges, and I think they'll send a copy to the bank. Are you sending the draft directions?

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Thanks Caro.

 

To clarify - by schedule of charges I mean the actual list of all the charges that YB have put on my account since 2001 plus interest on each idividual charge. I have supplied the HM Court service with total charges+interest+mcol fee.

 

With regard to draft directions - on my AQ in other information I entered the following wording:

 

I am respectfully requesting that my claim be allocated the small claims track. This issue is not a complicated one; it's an issue of fact and not of law. The issue is only whether the money levied by the defendant in respect of it's customer's contractual breaches exceeds their actual costs incurred. I am happy to pay their actual costs and I am surprised the defendant did not counterclaim for these because I would have paid these without argument.

 

Howver, the continuing problem is (in common with the hundreds of other cases currently being brought by other banks customers) that the banks refuse to reveal the details of their penalty charging regime. As the banks have a fiduciary duty towards their customers, they have a responsibility to deal openly and in utmost good faith.

 

Accordingly, I would respectfully ask that the Court in this case, notwithstanding allocation to the small claims track, order standard disclosure. I understand that it is in the Courts discretion to do so. I believe this would bring a rapid end to this litigation.

 

This is wording used by a friend who 2 weeks ago received full settlement from Barclays Bank which I have used. Once he received his court date he telephone Barclays to enquire if they would settle out of court and they agreed.

 

Your comments would be gratefully appreciated.

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I appreciate that this might not be the CAG way to do it but I just felt more comfortable doing it a way I was sure of.

 

Can anyone comment on my approach?

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I have today received a copy of YB's AQ. The AQ was due on 18th June and it is dated 18th - will the Court still accept it? My AQ was submitted some time ago.

 

They have stated that they have 2 witnesses in total and appear to not have input anything in the other 'information section' - is this correct?

 

I am becoming a little twitchy now with regards to this so any advice anyone could give would be apprecaited in terms of where I go from here.

 

Also, would someone just have a read of the last 2 entries on my thread and make sure that what I have detailed is infact correct.

 

I apprecaite that Caro is out of action so you will be snowed under at present but any help would be great.

 

PS - Best regards to you Caro and hope you get everything sorted.

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Hi Judge24, as far as i am aware as long as YB submit their AQ on or before the last day it will still be accepted.

 

2 witnesses in total they put the same on my AQ and also didnt put any info in the 'other info section'.

 

Try not to worry too much, its all pretty much standard stuff.

 

Once the judge has decided which track to allocate your hearing too you will then receive Notice of your Hearing, which will give you your court date, and your directions .... which is evidence (court bundle) that you have to get together to submit to court.

 

My court date was for this Thursday but YB sent me a lovely cheque last friday for full amount, so with any luck the same will happen to you, Good Luck, hope ive been some help :D

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I have today received a copy of YB's AQ. The AQ was due on 18th June and it is dated 18th - will the Court still accept it? My AQ was submitted some time ago.

 

They have stated that they have 2 witnesses in total and appear to not have input anything in the other 'information section' - is this correct?

 

I am becoming a little twitchy now with regards to this so any advice anyone could give would be apprecaited in terms of where I go from here.

 

Also, would someone just have a read of the last 2 entries on my thread and make sure that what I have detailed is infact correct.

 

I apprecaite that Caro is out of action so you will be snowed under at present but any help would be great.

 

PS - Best regards to you Caro and hope you get everything sorted.

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Hello

 

I have today received a 'Notice of Preliminary Hearing' which will take place on 30 August 2007.

 

Is it worth me contacting the bank at this stage to ask if they will settle out of court? Ultimately I wish to claim the whole of my bank charges back and I have a friend who received his court date and contacted the bank by phone and they settled in full without going to court!

 

Please let me know your experiences of this and any help you could give would be appreciated.

 

Kind regards,

Simon

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Hello everyone,

Its my first time at this so pls bear with me:) .

I have been reading the judges threads and replys and im finding them all fasinating!!

I am at the stage were YB/CD have sent me a copy of there defence all seems pretty standard reading ( Its my own fault for not having money in the account, its in there terms and cons etc) However allthough i used the letters from this site at the begining i regretably did'nt use the template when completing the MCOL form i used my own words:confused: Now i have been sent a copy of there defence with a CPR part 18 request for further information - basically i forgot to include my schedual of charges stupid i know!! I have now got these ready to send to them. But so i dont make any more unecessary mistakes is it worth sending a covering letter explaining that only a full settalment will be accepted and would they like to settel out of court?

 

Finally if anyone has any advice on what happens now and how or what i need to do it would be greatly appreciated as im owed nearly £3000 by these EDIT men:evil:

 

Kind Regards

Boobop

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I agree entirely with georgieboy. You can offer to settle and reduce the claim by the amount of their actual costs, although you will of course want to check how they reach that figure. Your actions will prove to the court that you have been reasonable and continued to try and settle. I doubt they will accept your offer.

 

Boobop, I will answer your question on your thread.

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Ok thanks - I haven't decided what I intend to do as yet.

 

With regard to the Preliminary Hearing - I presume that I do not need anything for this hearing? The preliminary hearing is at Dewsbury County Court - should I assume that this will be transferred to the Leeds Mercantile Court?

 

Thanks,

Simon

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I think if it were to be transferred to the Mercantile Court the preliminary hearing would not be taking place. I see that you are in Leeds so do you know why it is at Dewsbury?

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My case was transferred from Northampton to Dewsbury earlier this year and am not 100% sure why. Dewsbury is not far from my South Leeds home so it's fine and is probably more covienient to be honest.

 

Just to give you a heads up - I have spoken to Yorkshire Bank today and asked if they wish to settle out of court and they are sending me a settlement figure in the next 7-14 days. I am fully expecting this to be way short of my total figure and if this is the case I will decline their offer and carry on with my claim through the court.

 

I will update my thread with details of their offer - fingers crossed it's the right offer!!!!

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Just to give you all an update - I contacted YB to see if they would consider settling out of court and was informed that they would be interested and would send something in the next 5-10 working days. I chased this up and was informed that the legal dept were calculating the figure and it would be issued shortly. Still nothing...................and then I chased again and was told that they were proceeding with the court date on 30/08/07 and the same person I had spoken to throughout the asbove denied all knowledge of what he had said previously!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

In light of the OFT's recent announcement is it likely that the preliminary court date will still go ahead? I have read that the banks can apply for a waiver and that cases will be put on hold until the test case has gone ahead. :Cry:

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