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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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Oh yeah, good point about the c.a!! hmm! i'm going to refuse to agree to it with mine - but he's not interviewing me! i didn't do the MP letters etc.

 

Also, as a footnote, did you see on Watchdog tonight? they said at the end that they want to hear from people regarding bank charges!!

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Dont forget Kerry......lots of people are signing the ca not just to end the matter and get the money quicker.........there is an ahem (cough again )....mutual interest between claimant and defendant..........I dont blame anyone for asking for some mutual benefits to sign........in fact these mutual benefits can represent up to 50% of the claim itself......nuff said.......:rolleyes:

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I am afraid you will have to be prepared for all options.

However the likelyhood of you having to go to court is very very slim and if you read the threads in the Bag you will see that.

There is the coury buddy system if it does mean you having to go which should mean you wont be alone !

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hello i was wondering if you can help, due to a breavement i have fallen behind with my shedule, even more so it all happened when i should have been filing a claim its been about a month can i still just go ahead or should i send another letter to the bank? i gave them 2 weeks before.

sorry to sinle you out i've got confused

thanks

frankie x

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Hi there,

I am waiting for my nat west statements from a now closed account in 2002!! ... I sent the first letter and then they lost that.. so I sent another stating they lost the first and then got a reply asking for a fiver cheque to be sent. That was on the 25th Jan. its still not cashed. Grrrrrr

 

How long did your statements take to come through??

 

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Hi all,

Can i add my credit card account number aswell as my current account, both are with NatWest bank

I would appreciate any advice, i have downloaded the template and filled it out?

What method of payment should i use for the £10.00 charge?

doing a great job?

coax_guy

P.s. Good luck to all of you!!!

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Hi there , I am new to this forum. I sent my banks a primilinary letter with my schedule of charges, after 12 days i had a reply,,,, it was written by a customer Care representive, stating due to the nature of the issue they need to forward my concern to the customer relation unit, and that they will contact me within the next ten days.

Is Customer Care Team and CUstomer Relations Unit pretty much the same thing, they do state i can contact them before 10 days with a number provided, but i would prefer to converse by letter.

 

Does this sound like progress ....?

 

Please repspond

Patrick

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I have just filed a small claim for £400 to yourkshire bank.They have acknowledged the court papars but have 28 days to respond .I attached my acc no and sort code with the claim but not my bank statements.I can prove the bank have the copies I sent them as I sent them recorded delivery.Is this ok?I know its not alot of money comapered to others but its alot to me! Lol -Sarahx

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Ok, guys sounds like a lot of you have been on Money Saving Expert to me, You all need to start you own thread on the relevant bank thread, so bank forum click top left and then new thread. OK? then to return user cp which will list all the threads you have posted on. I only came accross this pages threads as it was quiet and spotted a new name. thank you. You can get help from experts if it is on your own thread and it tells your story

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OMGoodness, Ive just spent about half an hour reading this entire thread. Im amazed, fired up, laughing like a drain, and also just totally inspired by Mr. Toilet Bandit. What a man. I totally felt his pain throughout the process the Nastywest put him through, but what a guy. Not perturbed, disturbed, or knocked off the path of justice. I havent laughed so much in ages, at some of the posts on here. Was feeling a bit down about the process so far, but this has just completely inspired me to carry on with my own. My own post already started fendy - v- Natwest, so will carry on posting on there with step by step. Just filed MCOL today so will keep everybody posted. In case you do log back into this at any time in the future Mr. Toilet Bandit. I THINK YOU ARE AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING. I cant say well done enough, and I wish you such a happy life. All round good guy I think. Not many of them to the pound. ABSOLUTELY UTTERLY WELL DONE, MY ADMIRATION FOR YOU HOLDS NO BOUNDS. Thanks for the inspiration when mine was flagging a little. I just hope I can hold my nerve with the same dignity you did throughout. I think you should write a book. Your posts were hilarious whilst also being serious. I had tears running down my face at times. Thankyou thankyou thankyou for cheering me up and onward in this fight with the vultures in this world.

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I'm so glad to read this account and victory over Nat West Thank you for allowing me an insight of what is to come i began my fight for justice today. Congrats once again

Yours PelhamJamesJnr

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HELP!

 

Hi all, these threads are addictive, have been at work for an hour and not been off this site yet!!

 

Can anyone help? I have been posting on Moneysavingexpert and someone gave me this link for help, what nice people!

 

Well I started my claim back in October and I am still waiting, I received a order of judgement to reply to Cobbets CRP18 which I did and also attached my own further request for information, much the same as everyone else, I gave them until 23rd March to answer and of course have heard ZILCH!! Can anyone suggest what I do next? Do I write to the court, if so what do I say?:oops:

 

Fellow claimaints help!

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Hi all

 

I'm very very new to this and I'm a little wary to say the least.

 

I've sent my letter requesting statement or a draft of charges over the last six years.

 

They are quite clever as I received a mountainous envelope of statements for the last six years and to be honest I'm not sure what I've been charged, but I know I have.

 

My husband and I went into overdraft and they charged us 16.99 percent interest and informed us on our statement that if we exceed a level it will be increased to 29.5% interest.

 

Question: Are they allowed to do this...should I be claiming this back to?

 

Where we have had insufficient funds to pay for a direct debit or cheque does this come under:

D/D - £30.00

 

and is this the figure I should be claiming back?

 

Please help.

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I have just only read this post from start to finish.

 

Toilet Bandit - you are the citizen smith for the banking fight.

 

Your wit, determination and fighting spirit has instilled me.

 

I have just received, in a broken package delivered by the post office with an apology for 'damaged packaging' 6 years of statements. Not withstanding the potential of ID theft I am now going to check I have all my statements.

 

You have inspired me to fight for my money back of which there is at least £2,000 to fight for. I thought I was brave until I embarked on this little crusade, but I find my nerve going every time I think about it.

 

Your continued posting, your step by step eventful path on the way to your reclaiming what is rightfully yours has inspired me.

 

You truly are a Citizen Smith!!!!

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Just out of interest, how long did it take you to get your statements. I'm waiting for mine to come but they haven't cashed my cheque in yet..? Is your bank Natwest?

 

Thanks - enjoy totting up your charges... just think you'll have that money back in a few months!

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Just out of interest, how long did it take you to get your statements. I'm waiting for mine to come but they haven't cashed my cheque in yet..? Is your bank Natwest?

 

Thanks - enjoy totting up your charges... just think you'll have that money back in a few months!

 

I waited over the 40 days (approximately 50 days from my sending the letter to them) but they arrived in a parcel repackaged by the post office as it was damaged and torn, and they will be getting a similar letter that Citizen (Bandit) Smith wrote, in fact he's so very good I'm going to plagerise his letter!

 

I'll be totting up the charges, including interest as we had no contractual overdraft, they just kept sending us letters saying they were increasing the interest on the charges.

 

I know I'm going to have a fight and yes I'm also apprehensive, but I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

We are currently working on keeping our costs down, I'll be working full time teaching soon and we should be able to do that.

 

From what I understand, the banks have us all in a psychological loophole. You feel as though whilst they are not rejecting payments and they are charging you, you feel 'phew, at least it's gone through I'll live with the costs'. What we don't realise is that we don't have to live with these costs as they are fundamentally carpetbagging those that are finding managing, cost of living difficult at different times in our lives. They in fact make it more difficult for us.

 

The individual that started the ball rolling on all of this was a very brave individual with a strong sense of right and wrong, as we all are, but that individual stood up and fought, but not in vein, as look as what that person has started here. Just look at these forums....who said the little person hasn't got a leg to stand on????? We have and we should take heart from that...the proof is in these forums.

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HI... Well done toilet bandit. I have just read through your story and my fingers are numb from holding the mouse for so long!! I am a newbie and have never posted a thread but i found your ordeal amazing.

I am just sending my LBA to Natwest and i have not received anything back from them at all...it's like they're ignoring me. My claim is for £529.70 and am dreading the prospect of having to go to court but needs must and all that. Well I just wanted to congratulate you and I hope I have as much tenacity as you do!! WELL DONE!!!

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Teh charges on your statement will read Charge £30 or Paid referral fee, where your statement reads D/D £30.00 this is the amount of the D/D not the charge.

 

Good Luck:)

 

the £30.00 is the charge for my statement.

 

The direct debits were 181.00 and then it gives you the charge in D/D £30.00 and my account went up in the red £30.00 each time.

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