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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Nothing new by post from either Woolwich or DCA. NI Court service (Small Claims Court) showing Return Date of 08 May 07 on Case Tracking page. Small Claims Packs (issued?) 27 Mar 07.

 

We're 'MOVING ON' - Yipeee! :)

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right hughsey now your cooking on gas ! so woolwich have until may 8th to send in their defence ! you will probably find they send it in by the 1st of may via a local belfast solicitor which they use for all their business nothing to worry about as once defence is entered court date is issued then you will get settlement the same as the rest of us ! so roll on may !

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stop torturing yourself lol ! try putting it out of your mind for a while i know its hard but try sueing some other bank in the mean time ha ha ha !

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Horray! --

 

Second letter arrived from Debt Collection Agency ECI

 

(who?),

 

the number 2 DCA (anyone know them?)

 

saying DCA number 1 (Equidebt) has asked ECI to pursue two debts (Woolwich) with vigour (WHY?)

 

(3 BT 1571 URGENT messages from ECI asking me to contact them within last week to discuss settlement)

 

I don't talk on phone.

 

Any advice? :(

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Horray! --

 

Second letter arrived from Debt Collection Agency ECI

 

(who?),

 

the number 2 DCA (anyone know them?)

 

saying DCA number 1 (Equidebt) has asked ECI to pursue two debts (Woolwich) with vigour (WHY?)

 

(3 BT 1571 URGENT messages from ECI asking me to contact them within last week to discuss settlement)

 

I don't talk on phone.

 

Any advice? :(

 

Sorry for not popping in earlier Hughesy but I am trying to get everything ready for an appointment with a judge on Monday.

 

DCA's do tend to pass these thigns around so just write to the new crowd and tell them that Equidebt have failed to respond to a sec 77/78 request under the CCA and that they have now committed a criminal offence. ANY attempt to enforce the alleged agreement also constitutes an offence so you advise them not to become involved.

 

BigAl seems to be advising you well :)

 

 

Same sh*t different company, follow the above, and in a few weeks you will probably get a different DCA contact you. It may seem a never ending circle but it will.:)

 

AL:D

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Have prepared letter for posting to ECI (DCA No 2) - - - WHO are they or what?? (anyone heard of them?? (Surbiton, Surrey) - - - - as suggested.

 

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Have prepared letter for posting to ECI (DCA No 2) - - - WHO are they or what?? (anyone heard of them?? (Surbiton, Surrey) - - - - as suggested.

 

:(

 

No, ive not, i think there is a way you can find out who they are via companies house or a similar establisment, other than that im not sure:confused: .

 

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Just browsing various threads today and came across 'Is Your Bank Taking Your Benefits?' as unfair charges.

 

Beyond the 6-year claim-back limit, Woolwich (prior to my current action against them), for many years left me penniless (and my wife) in their taking my Incapacity Benefit and Income Support as penalty charges.

 

What action (in the absence, now, of any records or Statements) can I take to determine those charges prior to 12 December 2000 and request also those illegal charges be ALSO refunded?

 

Advice would be appreciated. :(

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Just browsing various threads today and came across 'Is Your Bank Taking Your Benefits?' as unfair charges.

 

Beyond the 6-year claim-back limit, Woolwich (prior to my current action against them), for many years left me penniless (and my wife) in their taking my Incapacity Benefit and Income Support as penalty charges.

 

What action (in the absence, now, of any records or Statements) can I take to determine those charges prior to 12 December 2000 and request also those illegal charges be ALSO refunded?

 

Advice would be appreciated. :(

 

 

I think the only way is an estimated claim and to come up with an excellelent reason why the statute of limitations shouldnt apply :(

 

Unless of course this was a mortgage where a 12 year rule applies instead of 6 years.

Alliance & leicester:Settled 8/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester-successes/19700-tamadus-l.html?highlight=tamadus

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MBNA 2 accounts:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions-successes/13831-tamadus-mbna-i.html?highlight=tamadus

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UPDATE:- Nothing to report. Nothing from Woolwich. Nothing from DCA number One or Two. Phew!

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Looked in Northern Ireland Courts Service on line tracking today (Small Claims) and Notice of Dispute has been filed by Barclays.

 

Any advice?

 

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Hi Hughes

 

Sorry not sure about Notice of dispute, apart from you have obviously got up their nose. Seriously though im not sure on the NI CC system perhaps a PM to Paddy M or a MOD might work. :D

 

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02 May: New info at NI Court Service - 'Transfer (Civil) Case'

Anyone advise? :(

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I got your PM

 

this is standard procedure-it just means that the inevitable has been put off for a few weeks by the Woolwich filing what is more than likely a spurous defence,with no actual intent to do so....

 

transfer to Civil case simply means that Chichester street has farmed it out to your nominated local court to fix a date for hearing.

 

There is absolutely no cause for panic-be prepared to go to court,but expect a cheque in the run up to your court date.

 

you know where I am if you need help.....

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Looked in Northern Ireland Court (Small Claims) on-line and, behold, a Hearing date:-

Tuesday, 12 June, 2007, at 10-30 am.

 

Any further advice?? :mad:

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Hughes

I would suggest a letter or phone call to Barclays at their litigation dept, asking that in the interest of the Overiding Objective could this claim be settled without the need for court action. Do it about three weeks before the court date. Im sure they will settle.

 

AL:)

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Thanks for further advice al. Will certainly try letter or phone call nearer to hearing date. Any templates anywhere? Ta again. :)

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Nope no templates just state your name, court claim number, account number. and that in the interest of the overiding objective and saving the courts time could this be settled before court (Although i would ring).

 

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