PCM 2*ANPR PCN's - gym terminal faulty? - overstay - JD Gym - Manningham Retail Park, Bradford

[FTMDave]

So presumably for the first PCN you were using your car, and the second time a second car which is registered to your father.  Right?

[FTMDave]

Can you please post up the two PCNs, redacted of your personal details.  Then we can have a look at the 14-day thing and if you should inform them your father wasn't driving.

[FTMDave]

Sorry to keep firing questions, but there is a reason.  Were the envelopes postmarked?

 

Thanks.

 

On 30/03/2023 at 10:22, ElDiego10 said:

The other thing is I received the letter after the 14 day period, would you recommend writing an appeal letter to them to explain this and ask for it to be cancelled? Or is this a waste of time?

Yes, it would be a waste of time.  Their trade association's Code of Practice allows this sending out after 14 days.  That's apart from the fact they are charlatans and never accept appeals ever.

 

Presumably they have lied about the dates they sent their bilge, one of the PCN given dates is seven days after the event, one is eight days.

 

That will make it harder to use the "no keeper liability" defence if by some horror this did get to court.

 

There are come Caggers who are absolute experts on the Protection of Freedoms Act, so wait for them to come on, don't rush into telling the parasites you were driving your dad's car.

 

In any case how important would it be to remove your father from the loop?  Would he be up for fighting the fleecers?

 

Probably your best bet would be to push the gym to cooperate and call off their dogs.  If they're faffing around, put it in writing.  I've just tried to find the CEO address, but have drawn a blank.

[FTMDave]

19 minutes ago, ElDiego10 said:

Regarding my father, he won't be up to fighting the fleecers for this and/or, if it does go to court, he doesn't want to.

Well in that case he needs to either fill in the fleecers' form if there is one, or send a letter, quoting the PCN number, and informing them of your name & address as the driver.  Do that tomorrow, invest in a 2nd class stamp, and make damn sure you get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.  That will remove him from the loop.

 

32 minutes ago, ElDiego10 said:

I have spoken to the gym about it, and they said they can't do anything as they don't manage it. A few people who have had tickets have had the same reply from them as well, so I don't have much confidence in them doing much about it.

They may well be telling the truth.  Do customers of other businesses use the car park?

 

36 minutes ago, ElDiego10 said:

Also - anyone else have any ideas regarding the letter coming after 14 day period? Even if it is fully ignored, maybe something I can rely on if it does go to court?

I'm confused here.  From your stickies one invoice arrived after nine days and the other after 14 days.  That is within the POFA timeframe.

[FTMDave]

7 hours ago, ElDiego10 said:

Forgive my ignorance, but I've read that if it comes after 14 days, then it, in theory, should be invalid?

7 hours ago, FTMDave said:

From your stickies one invoice arrived after nine days and the other after 14 days.  That is within the POFA timeframe.

 

[FTMDave]

I've had a look at Google Maps, and it's likely the gym are telling the truth and it was not them but the retail park who called the fleecers in.

 

I've tried to find a contact for the retail park but got nowhere.

 

 

[FTMDave]

Do you have proof of being a gym user?  Membership and/or payment receipts?

[FTMDave]

OK, but, I hope what was sent was like this -

 

On 02/04/2023 at 14:05, FTMDave said:

Well in that case he needs to either fill in the fleecers' form if there is one, or send a letter, quoting the PCN number, and informing them of your name & address as the driver.  Do that tomorrow, invest in a 2nd class stamp, and make damn sure you get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office. 

 

[FTMDave]

I think this is moot LFI with the father's ticket, as the OP wants to out himself as the driver to get his dad out of the loop.

 

Might be very useful for the other ticket though.

[FTMDave]

To be able to make a decision it would be very useful if you would upload the photos you have taken of the signs.

[FTMDave]

There's not really a definitive answer to your question.

 

If the gym have got this deal - a big if - then they've essentially halved the PCN amount.  Pay £72 and the matter will go away.  If you don't it will increase to £200 and the fleecers will destroy half the Amazon sending you letters that are meant to be threatening.

 

We're pretty biased, as we deal with these vile companies every day.  We'd prefer you fought them!  It's likely the tablet malfunctions.  PCM have done their usual trick with the sign of putting a mountain of text, including the gym bit, hoping motorists won't notice it.

 

Your call.  If you want to pay, fair enough, if you want to fight we'll back you all the way.

[FTMDave]

Upthread didn't you say you'd informed the parking company that your dad wasn't the driver?

Please confirm exactly what communications you've had with the fleecers please.

This is all getting confusing.

[FTMDave]

OK, mystery solved. 

That's why the fleecers are still pursuing your father, they will do so until a driver is named, just saying he wasn't the driver is not enough.

So you have a choice to make.

1.  Your dad writes again, naming you as the driver.  He is then out of the loop.  However, everything that LFI and dx have mentioned will go in the bin and you will not be able to use the fleecers' non-compliance with POFA in any court hearing.

2.  You dad does nothing.  The PCN remains non-POFA compliant which is an excellent string to your bow if it gets as far as court.  However, your dad will receive the threats and he will be the one in court if it gets that far.

There is no half-way house here, you need to speak to your dad and decide which course of action to take, promptly.