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  • dx100uk changed the title to Britannia/BW PCN PAPLOC now Claimform - Poole – Quayside Poole

Thanks for the info. on your PCN.  The PCN is non compliant because there is no period of parking as required by the Act. It has been confirmed that the entrance time and exit from the ANPR cameras is not counted as the parking time since several minutes elapse between the entrance, finding a parking spot and then actually parking. Then of course pulling out of the parking spot and leaving the car park subtracts another few minutes from the parking period.

 

That means that the keeper is not liable for the debt if the driver does not pay.  So it is important that the identification of the driver is not revealed.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Britannia/BW ANPR PCN PAPLOC now Claimform - Quayside Poole

You rightly crossed out the address of the PCN. Was it one you recognised? Did the driver who was in the car park that day remember paying to park? If they did pay, did they also have to input the vrm number or did the ticket fall to the floor of the car.

 

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OK I have caught up with your details. As I said in an earlier post your first PCN was not compliant in relation to the protection of Freedoms Act 2012. That means that they cannot transfer the alleged debt from the driver to the keeper. So you as keeper cannot be pursued as the keeper. They can assume that you are also the driver but they have to be able to show that you were the driver an assumption that  in itself is not enough to satisfy a Judge should it go to Court. 

 

So it is important that you do not reveal who was driving since anyone with a valid insurance can also drive your car as well as named family drivers on your own policy.

 

I am not sure that the Courts are ready to accept the £50 cap that is coming in under the new Government Code of Practice but certainly, if brought to the attention of the Court, anything over £100 should not now be allowed. A Government Minister called those charges "a rip off" so even though the illiterates in the car parking industry still try and charge them , Judges are not allowing them.

 

As their machines were not accepting payments you can claim frustration of contract. It is their job to ensure the machines are working so motorists cannot be penalised because the parking company has not managed to get its payment machine working. Also as the motorist did not pay [because they couldn't] the motorist becomes a trespasser. These car parking crooks are not allowed to pursue for trespass only the landowner can do that

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No doubt they will send you their Witness Statement as they tend not to pull out till the las minute hoping that their threats in the meantime will meant that you will be scared and give in first.

Please post up all the documents that the send-suitably redacted. From them we can see how they are preparing their case and how best to defend.

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I am sorry I missed their WS.  But the letter of Authority  Brittania sent does not even begin to act as a substitute for a contract.  The letter was sent from 

Britannia to Stanborough asking them to sign the Authority. There is no indication that Stanborough replied or agreed. And even if they did it would not be a replacement for the contract.

All the terms and conditions have to be produced in the form of a contract as specified by PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 S2 [1]. Without that contract they are unable to prove their is a valid contract and if the term you allegedly breached was included in the contract, if any contract actually existed.

Indeed there are serious doubts about its existence when one has not been produced and even the letter of Authority  shows no sign of being signed by Stanborough.

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