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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

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      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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16 hours ago, ericsbrother said:

there is case law that is on your side thought eh circumstances are not identical.

Basically a person cannot rely on an unlawful activity to negate their responsibility.

an example was a car hit a parked car that was on double yellow lines.  it was claimed that as the parked car was there illegally no payout. Court decided that wasnt the case.

 

there are others, your problem si swimming through custard to get the insurer to do the right thing. you might  well have to sue the person wo rear ended you to ake all of the others wake up

 

Yep, bottom line is the Op's property was damaged as a result of a negligent party, the op needs to challenge them on this bases, not just leave this to the mercy of Swinton, the FOS or the courts. 

 

The third party insurers challenge is based on the fraud challenge, - i.e. if you think you have a case stand up in court and say it, leave a court make the decision.

 

I'm sure if the info is as simple as presented a judge would not even take into consideration the lack of insurance, as long as the vehicle was roadworthy and road legal and there was no other evidence to suggest fraud

 

The OP needs to make politely clear to the third party insurer that they are looking into the insurance issue, however regardless of this, they still require settlement for their vehicle which was damaged by their negligent customer, and will accrue costs (even if it's just loss of use) until settlement. 

 

The potential to prompt this into action may get this issue resolved, the claims handler may be just having a quick challenge, knowing there's not much chance, the customer can then look into the policy issues without the pressure of the timescales. 

 

People uninsured for whatever reason get their (non  fault) claims settled all the time. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Foxy100474 said:

Thank you, i will contact the third party insurer and see what they say

 

 

Ok, good luck,  be assertive, from your perspective,  in your honest opinion, you had every right to be on the road, your mistake or no mistake about cover (it's not their business to know the ins and outs) made no difference to the fact their customer hit your vehicle.  

 

 

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12 hours ago, BankFodder said:
2 minutes ago, Foxy100474 said:

Could it have been from the motor insurance database?

 

 

Yes. Motor claims are not very complex and neither are their processes, it’s just the human interaction that fails. It will resolve, I think bank fodders approach is right here (not the SAR, bit in my opinion that just gives licence to be slow), it’s time to get grumpy and legal. 

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2 hours ago, BankFodder said:

Yes. Well done. I'm afraid I wouldn't leave it there. They've caused you extreme amount of distress and difficulty and I would be putting in a claim for compensation.

I would have thought getting a gesture of goodwill out them will be child's play – and pushing the figure up won't be extremely difficult.

I would propose that you get them to focus by beginning an ombudsman claim on the basis of their admission. I believe that for them, every ombudsman claim which is made against them – they have to pay £400 to the ombudsman service. Somebody can correct me on this.

 

first 3 free and £550 after that i think it still is. 

 

great result. 

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