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There is no Direction within the CPR Civil Procedure Rules.....Simply submit an N244 Application Notice and request an Order.I have already advised you of the process of contesting jurisdiction.

"My question is what input am I allowed to have and if any what can I bring up?"

" Sorry for all the questions but I don't want attend and not have a clue what to say  and if I say anything what do I back it up with? "

Very little unless you are more qualified than the District Judge on Jurisdiction issues....the court determines...you sit and twiddle your fingers.

Any chance of uploading their witness statement..,,I think the uploading problems have been resolved.

 

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Use the following for now until the error is corrected...

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/keywords/view/24-upload/

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Simply attach the PDF redacted as per the instructions in the reply box (bottom left corner)

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Unusual...unless your trying to get a foreign agreement through English Courts/law and smacks of desperation ...you cant withdraw an application without the court permission ...and why would you want to withdraw it anyway...if it fails it fails and if they succeed the claim proceeds.

 

And which costs ?.....a typed up witness statement ?

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19 minutes ago, Hornsey62 said:

My thoughts exactly and I know nothing apart from what I've learned on cag.

 

I don't want to withdraw but what if I did. Are they saying that the claim would still go ahead??

 

They don't make that clear?

 

CPR 11 makes it clear...

 

7) If on an application under this rule the court does not make a declaration –

(a) the acknowledgment of service shall cease to have effect;

(b) the defendant may file a further acknowledgment of service within 14 days or such other period as the court may direct; and

(c) the court shall give directions as to the filing and service of the defence in a claim under Part 7 or the filing of evidence in a claim under Part 8 in the event that a further acknowledgment of service is filed.

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8 minutes ago, Hornsey62 said:

Sorry Andy I keep reading but I don't understand. Do I have to do anything else?

 

 

Erm no.......Only the court can determine

 

6 minutes ago, Hornsey62 said:

Yes that's what I believe

 

If they had a good case would they be contacting me? 

 

Precisely....... 

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17 minutes ago, Hornsey62 said:

That's what I thought. 

 

I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the WS from them if not no worries.

 

Broach it tomorrow.

 

Yep  dragged it out to 3 mins...very scant on detail/legislation re Jurisdiction.......non conveniens ...take another read of my post #109 ....learn it off by heart

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5 hours ago, Hornsey62 said:

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

From what I've learnt about them it's all about the money.

 

They only take on cases where there could be a shed load for them.

 

Peter Coyle and the solicitor that wrote my witness statement are directors of IDRWW debt collectors.

 

Says it all.

 

https://idrww.com/privacypolicy/

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1 hour ago, hzeee said:

Cheers Hornsey - they do refer to the judgement in their favour. Is that clear in the appendix of the letter? It does not seem to be uploaded. Many thanks 

 

Yes I did wonder the same...where is this judgment ?

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And thats all they have to rely on...dont bother then :classic_biggrin:

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But sometimes we remember when they come back with another problem........😎

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So whats the contents of their bundle ?  Never heard of a bundle being used in an application to determine jurisdiction.They have already submitted their statement an evidence.

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Whats the breakdown on their costs ?

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And no Barristers fee ? 

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I was going to refer to their WS but notice its been pulled and not available...do they request costs within their statement ?

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Assuming the T&Cs of the agreement contain a contractual costs indemnity.It is rare for costs to be assessed on the indemnity basis and they will only be awarded by the court if there are specific factors which justify them..... hinging around Civil Procedure Rule 44.3 

 

What time is your hearing tomorrow ?

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Okay well best of luck and keep calm...its for the court and them to argue it out if the court has jurisdiction..to decide if foreign law can be tried in an English Court ....you have simply followed CPR and made an application to test it.

 

Your not on trial..no doubt you will update your thread at your earliest convenience.

 

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17 hours ago, Versus said:

 

 

Finally. Prepare your own costs statement. 

 

 

 

 

 

Costs have already been requested within the application

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Correct ....we didn't attach a draft order..not to worry simply request " the costs in this application "...if your application is granted. 

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If their costs were £4300 and you state she cut them in half...but then you state she knocked off £200 ?

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You must defend...although we may not be much help as we are not versed in UAE law nor is the Judge I would suspect..but dont let them get a default judgment otherwise you are not putting the court to the test to be able to quantify its ruling.The judge has basically thrown out CPR 11 because if you can try a UAE credit agreement under English Law you can try almost any agreement from any part of the world.

 

You will have 14 days to acknowledge service and the court will direct to submit a defence.

 

(7) If on an application under this rule the court does not make a declaration –

(a) the acknowledgment of service shall cease to have effect;

(b) the defendant may file a further acknowledgment of service within 14 days or such other period as the court may direct; and

(c) the court shall give directions as to the filing and service of the defence in a claim under Part 7 or the filing of evidence in a claim under Part 8 in the event that a further acknowledgment of service is filed.

(8) If the defendant files a further acknowledgment of service in accordance with paragraph (7)(b) he shall be treated as having accepted that the court has jurisdiction to try the claim.

(9) If a defendant makes an application under this rule, he must file and serve his written evidence in support with the application notice, but he need not before the hearing of the application file –

(a) in a Part 7 claim, a defence; 

 

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part11

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As I said she has basically disregarded CPR 11 :classic_blink:

 

Although she may have done you a favour......

 

(8) If the defendant files a further acknowledgment of service in accordance with paragraph (7)(b) he shall be treated as having accepted that the court has jurisdiction to try the claim.

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2 hours ago, Hornsey62 said:

Sorry Andy..getting confused . 

 

Just the Barrister yesterday asked for mine to be fast tracked. Don't know why.

 

Court decides at the appropriate stage...Allocation.... not at yesterday's hearing... which Track subject to the value of the claim in sterling...if its over 10K then its Fast Track

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Wants Fast Track to rack up the costs which you will be liable for and make up some of yesterdays that were denied.

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I think its best to start laying out a defence rather than dissecting the Jurisdiction issue...only 12 days left.If you could post some details of the debt and any disputes etc.

 

Andy 

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