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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Just an observation here, with the new Laws coming in during April, will this see a upsurge in Bailiff activity before this date to get as many debtors on the books before April?

 

 

Or will there be a slump in activities till after April what is going to be the best way forward for Bailiffs in the meantime? Are there new fees coming in to force in April will it be much more expensive for the debtor? I have Pm'ed TT with a bucket load of questions with regards to this and other things, hopefully will get a reply soon, I know TT is very busy but the subject may bring to light much more than I know about.

 

 

Will forced entry be more widely used after April or has this not changed? The amount of Bailiff auctions across the country seem to be getting much higher than normal, as are those from Revenue and Customs, just s a thought here that's all. sticky here courtesy of tomtubby HMCS Forced Entry Protocol for use by bailiffs enforcing Magistrates Court FINES

 

 

Has there been more clarification as regards to Police Assisted enforcement with Bailiffs, have these rules been changed also? Is the attached PDF the correct file in regards the new changes please

 

 

Are there any rules regards the last paragraph on section 1? QUOTE "

“sum to be recovered” means the amount of the debt which remains unpaid, or an amount that the creditor agrees to accept in full satisfaction of the debt". Does this mean it is possible for a full and final offer available?

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Sticky: Closed: Removal of Implied Right of Access notices.....CIVEA advises bailiff companies to IGNORE the notices courtesy of Tomtubby again will the Bailiffs just add more fees to the debt? when displayed?

 

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Mike,

 

Thank you for your message and your list of questions ( all of which are vitally important).

 

It is very unfortunate that the Ministry of Justice only released the new fee scale last week as there is a lot to take in before implementation on 6th April. Accordingly, I have been VERY busy indeed. During the next few days I will be adding a lot a new information on the following thread and this will include answers to your "bucket load of question".

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?414547-The-Taking-Control-of-Goods-(Fees)-Regulations-2014-released-today.

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Thx TT, just another thought for info too, I was at a bailiff's public auction today, when 3 mid priced Flat panel TV's were listed, but due to the poor care by the bailiffs these were damaged in transit smashing the screens, if, whilst in the care of a bailiff and this sort of damage is caused,, what recourse does the debtor have in way of compensation? this is asked as the value of the goods is dramatically reduced, then the goods fail to reach a decent price at auction, as the monies for the sale come off the debtors bill, but the debtor will not get a fair price for damaged goods!! just a thought. Also the value in this climate financially the goods are not as much sort after and a true price is not achieved is it, so in as much even more goods will need to le levied and seized to cover the debt, compared to the prices of sold goods at auction 18 months ago!

 

 

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Thx TT, just another thought for info too, I was at a bailiff's public auction today, when 3 mid priced Flat panel TV's were listed, but due to the poor care by the bailiffs these were damaged in transit smashing the screens, if, whilst in the care of a bailiff and this sort of damage is caused,, what recourse does the debtor have in way of compensation? this is asked as the value of the goods is dramatically reduced, then the goods fail to reach a decent price at auction, as the monies for the sale come off the debtors bill, but the debtor will not get a fair price for damaged goods!! just a thought. Also the value in this climate financially the goods are not as much sort after and a true price is not achieved is it, so in as much even more goods will need to le levied and seized to cover the debt, compared to the prices of sold goods at auction 18 months ago!

 

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If the bailiffs damage the goods so as to make them unsaleable, and LCD TVs are much more delicate than an old CRT tube TV, I think they are liable to take "reasonable care" of goods seized in their custody, after all if the debtor redeems the goods by paying, and is given a broken TV back with a smashed screen I think they would have a course of action against the bailiff.

 

Incidentally if the bailiff removes a PLASMA TV and does not keep it upright, he has immediately caused damage as they must be kept upright due to the way the screen is made.

 

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Thx guys, believe it or not the TV's sold for a pittance, £12-00 each instead of the £200-00 ish they would if intact, so does this mean just a few pence will come off the debt after the fees that will be charged? I personally think this is wrong, now with the bailiff's seizing more and more Flat panel TV's the debtor will lose double in the long run, no TV more fees, longer debt more levies, seems like fee manipulation to me if you look at it from a criminal point of view! I.E. a TV is seized in perfect working order, it arrives at the auction damaged screen, (not saying deliberate just carelessness) with that in mind the bailiff knows it will sell for much less and can continue to fleece the debtor.

 

 

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If the bailiffs damage the goods so as to make them unsaleable, and LCD TVs are much more delicate than an old CRT tube TV, I think they are liable to take "reasonable care" of goods seized in their custody, after all if the debtor redeems the goods by paying, and is given a broken TV back with a smashed screen I think they would have a course of action against the bailiff.

 

Incidentally if the bailiff removes a PLASMA TV and does not keep it upright, he has immediately caused damage as they must be kept upright due to the way the screen is made.

 

Other Caggers will know more fdefinitive answeres.

 

This is not quite true and is a bit of an urban myth,they say not to transport it laying down as the screen on a plasma tv is more delicate, couple this with the large size of the screen and you have the strong possibility of the screen flexing and breaking,in most manuals for plasma tv's they tell you to lay the tv flat on the floor taking care that the screen is on a flat clean surface so you can then attach the stand.

 

Any way back to the op's post.

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LOL my post is going to be very long winded, due to the new rules in April, I am just trying to get ahead of the new charges, enforcement rules and rules of forced entry by the Bailiff, as we all know this is going to hurt the debtor in the long run, but concerned at the possibility of a rogue bailiff causing damage to a debtors goods to gain more fees.

 

 

I for one do not intend on getting on the receiving end of a bailiff.

 

 

I think that TT will be posting up some more info over the next few days so will wait to hear from them with the questions already Pm'ed to them

 

 

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This is not quite true and is a bit of an urban myth,they say not to transport it laying down as the screen on a plasma tv is more delicate, couple this with the large size of the screen and you have the strong possibility of the screen flexing and breaking,in most manuals for plasma tv's they tell you to lay the tv flat on the floor taking care that the screen is on a flat clean surface so you can then attach the stand.

 

Any way back to the op's post.

 

The damage is caused when they lie it on it's back in the van, and pile other things onto the screen, as they do.....the screen is fragile and easily damaged as you rightly point out. Anyway, surely there is a duty for the bailiff not to damage goods in their care.

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M y point exactly, with the total disregard to the debtors goods held in trust for a sale/return they can cause a total loss of the goods. This is why I asked the question.

 

 

also will the bailiff have to replace the goods should the debtor pay within the 5 days or is it tuff luck on the debtor?

 

 

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I find it strange that they would deliberately damage goods,surely they need to sell them in good condition to raise money.When i moved house the removal men had insurance and i did actually claim for a tv that had a cracked case,their insurance paid straight away,wouldn't the bailiff have similar insurance?

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I find it strange that they would deliberately damage goods,surely they need to sell them in good condition to raise money.When i moved house the removal men had insurance and i did actually claim for a tv that had a cracked case,their insurance paid straight away,wouldn't the bailiff have similar insurance?

 

Bailiffs take stuff and chuck it in the back of their Berlingo like a Yodel Courier does....LCD and Plasma TV screens are too delicate to be carried unboxed, or otherwise unprotected

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