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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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You definately can't change GP's then? I had one that told me my partner (now husband) had to join his practice or we'd be struck off (when in fact the real reason was my refusal to vax my baby, he gets paid lots of money to get them all done you see). I complained to the health authority and they said I could change. I wrote a nice letter to my husband's gp and we are with him now.

He is rather different though, at one point my GP worked for no money, as he refused the PCT's demands to sell patient information without their knowledge.

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Kronas - you are entitled to change GP. Write to your health authority and PCT.

Did you contact the practice manager? If not write to them and copy to the GP and senior partner asking them to clarify in writing whether your GP considers you fit to work or not, tell them if you do not receive a definitive response withi 10 days that you will complain to the GMC, that should get them moving.

It still seems to me that the GP thinks you are swinging the lead, the DWP has no influence over his decision.

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Kronas - you are entitled to change GP. Write to your health authority and PCT.

Did you contact the practice manager? If not write to them and copy to the GP and senior partner asking them to clarify in writing whether your GP considers you fit to work or not, tell them if you do not receive a definitive response withi 10 days that you will complain to the GMC, that should get them moving.

It still seems to me that the GP thinks you are swinging the lead, the DWP has no influence over his decision.

 

i think what you have said at the end has made alot of sense, i have been to hospital twice in three weeks due to worsening health, the consultant says he will write to the GP:

 

"I write to GP he will issue sicknote"

 

said the arabic guy

 

whether it happens remains to be seen, the other advice i have been given is to write to the chief executive of the PCT and explain the situation, if he doesent budge after the consultants letter then i will most likely have my consultants backing to be off sick, which i will use against my GP, the whole situation is getting me stressed even more and angry, i have someone from a CAB type team coming from my local hospital on tuesday so will explain the situation to him.

 

also i contacted CLS and they told me to dig around the DWP website about sicknotes, GP's can issue them at their discretion, nowhere it states he has to refuse if the DWP says so, i sniffed around the GMC website and found a document telling me that if i am an in-patient or out-patient of a hospital i can have a sicknote from the consultant treating me.....atleast thats how i read it!

 

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update: i made an appointment to see my GP, regarding his view about my consultant saying i should get one, so i made and was prepared for another let down....

 

meanwhile i decided to venture out for once and see if i could spot some bargains out of town, its something to keep my mind off things....

 

while i was there i tripped and fell to the ground, injuring my arm, so i got back on the bus, i was running late for the appointment so i decided to ring them to explain why i was delayed.....on the way there a massive panic attack started....... its something i have got used to, although the experiance is very harrowing!

 

so luckily the GP (my usual one i thought) let me come late via consulatation first with the secratory, at this point i was in very bad shape, mud all over me, panic attack in full flow, so i eventually got in to the GP's room after a kind lady let me go first after seeing me in so much agony that i was reduced in to tears....

 

but wait! it was not my usual GP! it was the second of three at the surgery! so he sees me and thinks wtf is going on, im there ballwing my eyes out, having trouble breathing, tightening of the arms, dysfunctional face...... he treats my shoulder first as i (my mother) told him what had happened, he wrote a note and said get down to the hospital, my mother pointed out to him that this appointment was booked on the basis of a possible issuing of a sicknote as per the hospital consultants recommendation....

 

at this point i was sweating.... he looks through my notes..........." i will write you one" he says!

 

at this point im thinking wtf! for a year i have tried to get one, i even tried this GP before and refused, but he let me!

 

for 3 months!

 

meanwile i spent about three hours at the hospital regarding my shoulder, the best service i have ever had (GP referral = excellent service) two docs saw my arm, and where it hurts etc... got an xray and luckily no break, very sore muscles, i have been told to ring in for a physio appointment this morning!

 

so how do i get a incapacity form ? can i just get one from my jobcentreplus office ?

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Depending on where you live you may be able to claim online

 

Jobcentre Plus - Working Age Benefits Incapacity Benefit

 

Also check CAB for a local welfare rights no - who will give you help if this application has any problems.

 

Good Luck with this and I hope you feel better soon, and things start to llok up for you.

 

Best Wishes

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Hi there; I am so sorry about the nightmare you went through. I can appreciate the frustration as I had similar problems with patronising, obstinate GP.

During my search for independent, professional help with sickess and disability benefits, I came across the following website: Benefits and Work

I have now become their member and recommend it strongly. There are public access areas and members areas (£16 pa). Invaluable help.

From what you are saying, it sounds to me that you should be applying for IB and DLA.

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Kronas- I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have been chewed up by the system myself- a failed dss medical, six months waiting for an appeal, trying to get medical backing/evidence for my condition. Hell on earth if you were in perfect health, ten times worse when you are already ill.

 

My advice (from personal experience)-

Your local council social services will have a welfare rights officer. Contact them immediately and get an appointment. I cannot recommend them highly enough. They will help you through this and any other contact with the DSS in the future. If you have been shafted once, you need future help to ensure it doesn't happen again.

 

Phone the local PCT and put in a complaint about the behaviour of your GP. He should have written the sick note- it is up to the DSS whether they accept it or not. It is his job to say if you are unable to work in his opinion.

Thats all. Not to second guess the DSS.

 

Please come back and post, so we know you are ok and how its all going! I still have nightmares about the months I went through in a similar situation.

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right guys thanks all, well i have been plugging away a bit and leaving it to morons at pct and local mental health authorties and got nowhere......

 

so this is my story, a short while ago i made an appointment yet again with the GP to try and get him to atleast look at my case again and talk to him, that day i had to go out, so i had to get up early to make the appointment, not nice when your body says no its own way and medication drags you down, so i went out that day, slipped and fell i was muddy, so i dragged myself up and eventually got on a bus, i realised i was running late for my appointment and rang the surgery and the secratery to tell them what had happened also she said 'i will check with the GP if he will allow you to arrive late' a short while later she says 'your very lucky he has agreed to let you come in late, i gave her an estimated time and she said 'please hurry' i said ok, so i was on the bus and all of a sudden..... i got THAT feeling, i tried to ignore it but when it comes on there is nothing you can do, it was ofcourse the start of a vicious panic attack, at this time my arm was hurting related to the fall and i had to keep quite and subdued, a short while later i rang my mother (dont call me a sissy please) informed her to meet me outside the surgery, i got off the bus and just let it all out bit by bit, i started walking towards the surgery from the bus stop, at this point it feels like im going to die, the tightness and choking in pain, i got outside the surgery, my mother was there and she was suprised as to what was going on, i was muddy and crying etc, i had to explain what was happening/happened/going on.....so i went in with my mother and sat down in the surgery, things were getting worse for me, uncontrollable crying, tightness around the neck chest and throat, aching all over, i couldnt even sit up......luckily a very kind lady who partially knows me allowed me to go in ahead of her....

 

so im helped in by my mother and i walked in....i was confronted by the second GP! so i just sat there and let the attack happen, he was scurrying and asking what was wrong and my mum said 'he gets thes fits' and hes injured his arm in a fall, the pain of the attack and shoulder/neck was getting worse....... he wrote a letter and said go to hospital, my mother mentioned that i needed a sicknote, he had a brief look at my medical record and said 'ok' and wrote one out!

 

when i got better at the hospital and my mum told me i was in disbelief! i got an xray on the shoulder and had a sling on it, luckily nothing was broken but just some minor damage, im seeing a physio regarding it too....

 

but the bad news is the GP has been kicked out of the surgery by my actual GP, i just met the replacement a few days ago, seemed very nice and asked me about my medical history, funny thing was she had that wtf face when i walked in, as she saw my name and said are you ********** i said 'yes its me i am ********* i am a male, i get that all the time' my name is a varation of a female name in spelling.....

 

so i applied for IB but get IS due to not enough NI, i just got written confirmation of my DLA application being accepted....

 

after all that hassle some luck went my way!

 

now i have to worry about sicknotes and obtaining them! and waiting for a letter for a PCA medical :(

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what you gp is saying he cant give you a sick note for same thing

 

big hint they can write one if you get a new condition

so time to get soime back pain

thats a new condition pluss you can add old stuff as well

 

hint nuber 2 i can see all this ilness has made you depresed

 

So basically make up a new problem to continue to claim benefit?

 

Do you wonder why GPs can be cynical and unhelpful about a system that puts them between people manipulating the system and the benefits agency trying to stop them doing so.

 

I sympathise with Kronas' problems, but attitudes like this show why the system exists it the first place. The benefits system is there so those who cannot work get supported, not so people can manipulate money for nothing. I think you ought to get of your arse and go find a job DragonLord. The money is meant for those in NEED not those in WANT.

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