e-petition for Cameron & Osbourne to resign and call a election

[Conniff]

Sorry Philip Bateman this is just political rubbish. The blame continually being attributed to the Labour Party is perfectly justified as they are the party that got us into this mess. Their continual 'No more Boom or Bust' has proved to be the stupidest statement any party has ever made and in fact Gordon Brown has led us into the biggest and deepest Bust this country has ever known.

 

If you think a silly petition can lead to a general election you are very misguided. If it was that simple the opposition would have done it long ago.

 

You are also not looking at the amount of Labours debt that has been paid back already. Making contracts that is more expensive to cancel than continue with, commissioning the building of two aircraft carriers bigger than even the US has is more than stupidity, it is criminal. We haven't any aircraft to stock them with nor the sailors to crew them with. They are to be finished, because there is no way out of the contract, and then put into mothball.

 

This is the mess that has to be sorted. And while I don't agree with a coalition, (we would always have had these if the looney Libdems had their way with proportional representation), at least this government is making an effort to pay back the debt Labour made and to get the country on to a footing that should prevent it happening again.

[Conniff]

So what is it about then or are you just another tree hugger who shouts but has no solution.

[Conniff]

Well are you going to respond or are you just mouth and trousers.

[Conniff]

So all you can do is answer a question with another question, I thought so.

 

I see no mod trying to pick a fight with anyone. I see that Conniff has questiond a stupid epetition that will get nowhere and the setter of the petition knows that.

I also see that someone, in typical tree hugger fashion, has said I am wrong, but hasn't given any reason why or said what is right.

[Conniff]

I'm not left, right, up or down. I don't care about politicians or the things they say, but I can see when one party is only interested in spending money we haven't got and another is trying to correct that.

Maybe they are attempting social restructuring, the country probably needs it. If you take child allowance, it was only an interim measure brought in after WW2 to supplement women whose husbands never came back from the war. That was almost 60 years ago and there should be no reason for it's existence today. There are a million things having money spent on that are not the responsibility of government and they shouldn't be called on to pay for these things when ultimately it is you and me who pay for it as the government doesn't have any commercial income.

[Conniff]

If you look at the full situation, it is not wages being too low, on the contrary, they are too high and this country is pricing itself out of the world markets. Our industry could not compete so has all shut down. This country is practically living on service industries which does not earn the country any money or pay wages.

 

It's not 'if wages were high enough', it's 'if people lived within their means'. Wages up, costs up and the circle just goes around and around. You can see that with the railways, huge rises which now makes them the most expensive railways in the world, but no huge extra profit because they have to pay high wages.

 

I'm not saying the ordinary person shouldn't have nice things, but I am saying the population seems to have a misconception of 'I'm entitled' when they are not entitled to anything.

 

a petition would be better served if it called for the abolition of payday loan companies with the 1,000s of % interest and the bill of sale (logbook loans) style of lending, and most of all, a big clamp down on banks and their gross bonuses.

 

I don't expect the Tories to get back into power mainly because of a voting public that is blind to the 'real' things that matter. There is no such party as LibDem, they were always a joke, this is still a two party country and it will take an eternity to break that. The problem we have is Labour will get in at the next election spend/borrow/spend more/borrow more and on and on until the next election when the tories will get in again and have to clean it all up again, that is how it has always been.

 

One thing is certain, Labour may shout about some of the measures being taken today, but they won't reverse a single one when they get into power.

[Conniff]

The fact we all pay taxes so that later in life we're meant to be looked after/helped no-longer seems to matter anymore, which to me is the really worrying issue here.

 

Of course it's worrying, but this is where changes have to be made. The NI was based on people living up to 70 with only the odd one or two going past that, but now with the majority of people living well into their 80's, there just isn't enough funds to pay for all that is associated with being older.

 

Not only are they drawing pensions for 20 years more, they are also consuming medicine by the bucket load and making huge demands on the NHS, in general.

[Conniff]

In answer to that, all I can say is Look at China, they are taking over the world because they have low wages and can make everything cheaper than the rest of the world, even India can't compete with them which is why all the manufacturing is done there. Why do you think dyson closed his UK operation and factory and moved to China, he couldn't make enough profit using the UK.

 

We people have our destiny in our own hands, if someone is willing to pay £thousands per week for a 2 room flat in London, then bigger fool them, but they shouldn't expect the government to subsidise this gross abuse.

[Conniff]

I live on basic essentials, so I know full well how costly it is to live.

 

One way out is to stop dead the bull**** and greed of councils. Look at the amount of empty shops there are in every town and city, they aren't all empty because there are no customers, they are empty because councils charge too much in rent and business rates so the goods are too expensive. Councils would rather the shops were left empty than advertise, 'no business rates for 2 years if you move to our area'. They have a 'can only be used for xx' policy that brings in no money.

 

There was a huge Coop furniture warehouse quite near here that shut up shop. Application was made to move into it my Go-kart, bowling alley and countless other companies, but the council said no it is for furniture and it was empty for 20 years making no money but costing on security and inspections.

[Conniff]

The cost of living in china is very low compared with here. And cost of living rises here are really due to corporate and individual greed and profit chasing. That can be traced back to the 80's and the privatisation of essential services, and selling off of social housing stock.

 

Yes, privatisation. One of the Tories most stupid policies. First, Gas, Elec and especially Water should never be owned by private companies. Look at the profit they are making, and as they are 'all' owned by foreign companies, all that profit is going out of this country. The government wouldn't have shareholders so even more of that profit could be used to pay NHS and benefits.

 

Why are the railways called private when they are still subsidised by the government but making profit for the shareholders. Stop those subsidies now.

 

Banks are in hock by billions to the government, but are still paying obscene bonuses, in fact, they are just laughing at the government who for some silly reason thinks they should prop them up when they never prop up other private businesses. Woolworths went down for the sake of a couple of million which the government refused to lend them, the same with LDV and the consequence is thousands more on benefits.

 

None of the governments seem to have the common sense or guts to just do it.

[Conniff]

Something we agree on!

 

I think we aren't too different estellyn, we just see things in a different order.

 

Thank you so much for the discussion and if I said anything that appears offensive or personal, it was not intentional.