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    • Paragraph 2. I think there should be further down and also you should make the point that the payment to was made unilaterally and without the imposition of any conditions. Paragraph 3 – this is unnecessary because you are not claiming as an entitled third-party. This worries me because it makes me feel that you haven't fully read around because this is a paragraph which you would include where you were suing EVRi as a beneficial third party because you had actually made your contract with Packlink or some other broker. I think you need to revisit and do some more reading. I'm afraid I have a sense that you have simply copied this from somebody else's witness statement without understanding that it wasn't necessary. Please can you post the amended draft. Other than the suggestions above, it looks okay – but let's see it again for a further appraisal. In terms of the evidence, parties bundle, I think it might be an idea to start off with the correspondence with EVRi and then go onto the other evidence. You will have to amend the index page accordingly. You could shorten this bit. Take 19 is pretty well blank and you may as well miss it out also, there seems to be some repetition of emails and the email chain. I think will be worth going through and getting rid of duplicates if you can. 49 pages is a bit long and it would be a good idea to try and reduce the number. I have a feeling that 50 pages as the County Court limit anyway. The judge will be happier with you if the bundle is smaller. Maybe you could reduce the size of some of the images or messages et cetera. You have got several messages which straddle onto a second page so that things like sign off information and standard confidentiality information become orphans. A bit of manipulation and they could be joined to their parents I think. Page 31 as an example. So is page 19. You may only be up to shorten the whole thing by 56 pages – but I think it would be a good idea. 56 pages is, after all, 10%. If you can do more then so much the better
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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When you received the Liability Order you should have received income and expenditure forms that I believe should be returned within 14 days! This then allows the council to see what u can afford to pay!

 

Did you receive anything like that?

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The court order the payment in a CCJ

 

A magistrates court just issues liaibility orders on behalf of local authorities. The council then should arrange payment with you hence the inclusion of the income and expenditure.

 

You have been mis-led by the council and they have to take responsibility for doing so. Also if you have been making the payments and the debt is decreasing i do not see their reasons for sending this account to the bailiffs.

 

I would make a full complaint to the council stating the above. Also as mentioned in another post the levy is unlawful as he has done it from outside your house. He has to physically enter your property to make walking possession.

 

He knows full well this procedure is not lawful so then you have grounds for a complaint against him. In the meantime just dont let them in!

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If the Council does not take any action against the bailiff company or suggests they are doing nothing wrong fire a complaint off to the LGO! (Local Government Ombudsman)

 

They have issued clear guidance on how they expect the councils to behave in relation to their bailiffs and their actions etc

 

If the council have done nothing about your complaint and the LGO see that and agree with your complaint they can award you compensation and fine the council.

 

One day councils will get the message that they are responsible for the actions of their collection agents.

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Hi

 

Someone will correct me if am wrong but am pretty sure they have to list all items they levy in walking possession and give you a copy

 

If he couldn't access all the goods listed they are just as good as saying he never saw them! If he didnt have access he wouldn't be able to levy.

 

Furthermore if the council have taken the account back they don't agree with their actions otherwise they would have left the account with them.

 

Don't pay Jacobs the money they have done nothing for it, if they persist contact the bailiffs certicating court and see if you would have grounds to make a form 4 complaint then use it to either get them to back off or go through with it depending on what the court said.

 

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Sorry read that bit wrong they can charge you for the visit unfortunately

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Even though the council have taken back the account I would still contact the court to see if you have grounds for complaint agains the bailiff

 

Why should he be allowed to get away with actions he blatantly knows are against procedures

 

Only way it will stop is if people make the complaints when they have valid grounds to do so!

 

Also the fact the council took the account off them will help too

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Use the councils complaint procedure as painstaking as it is, no joy with them then just refer it to the ombudsman then the council will have answer themselves to them. Hold your ground and do not give in, you have done nothing wrong.

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One for someone more in the know how!! Are they not supposed to log the serial numbers of goods they levy?

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