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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi All,

 

Thought I'd start a new thread re Clydesdale!

 

Story so far.........

 

26th May....sent prelim letter. Got standard reply telling me 'sorry you're not happy. Please s*d off!! HAve a free complaints leaflet!'

 

11th June....LBA sent. Absolutely no reply (even though I asked them to treat the second letter as an appeal!)

 

23rd September......Summary Cause forms sent by registered post to Dundee Sherrif Court claiming £1024 plus interest!

 

Now awaiting the next stage. Would anyone disagree that the delay between sending the LBA and submitting the court summons can be construed as a reasonable period during which the bank could reply? Must admit, I'm starting to get a little bit nervous

 

Mods, please feel free to move this if I've accidentally posted in the wrong place! :-)

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Hi,

 

I hope you get everything you are due from these charlatans.

 

I am at the very start of taking them on.

I visited the bank and requested bank statements going back 6 years and was informed that I would be charged £5 per statement!

that's £360 just to get information that I am entitled to.

I will keep you informed with my progress and will be keeping an eye on how you get on.

 

Best of luck!

09/10/06:Halifax claims opened with prelims

claim 1 = 1392.38

claim 2 = 1437.74

claim 3 = 1480.76

claim 4 = 0185.32

Changed tactics.

1 claim of £4600 submitted - will travel to england to go to court if required.

 

27/10/06: LBA sent

01/11/06: Recieved an offer of £764

05/11/06: Refusal of offer sent

11.11.06: MCOL submitted

13.11.06: MCOL issued

16.11.06: MCOL aknowledged

17.11.06: recieved withdrawal of offer letter - too late, it's already with court!

27.11.06: recieved written confirmation from Northampton County Court. Still no correspondance from Halifax. They have until 15/12/06 to respond.

O1/12/06: Settled in full, including interest.

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Hi,

 

Thanks for that.

 

Tell them to get knotted, it would've cost me about £185 too!!!!!!

 

I can give you a copy of the letter they sent me if you like? It clearly states that the required information is available for the £10 fee. They MUST comply with the DPA letter!!! If they keep up this ridiculous demand, threaten to report them to the Information Commissioner!

 

If you're in Scotland though, you can only claim back 5 years. Give me a day or so, I'll get the letter scanned in & I can e-mail it to you?

 

Just send me a PM if you'd like a copy :-)

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Hi Quixote,

Have you got a date yet from Dundee Sheriff court ?..Im due there on the 23rd October against TSB..Was due on same date to go against Halifax..But they settled in full.

 

I see your on a hill just outside Dundee, you dont happen to be standing in front Of an Orange Telecom mast and blocking My signal are you?....lol

Lloyds TSB -PPI - Full refund . 05/09/06 :D:p (As Seen on TV) :p

Halifax settled in Full.. :D 22/09/06

TSB First Claim SETTLED IN FULL 19/10/06 :D

Second Claim to Lloyds TSB - Settled in Full

Firstplus - early settlement interest charges - Challenged the use of the rule of 78 - SETTLED IN FULL 12/1/07

PPI - GE Money / Purpleloans / Firstplus - Now Settled after 1 year long hard fight.

 

 

 

If my post has helped you, please click the scales! :grin:

 

Anything said is my opinion and how I understand the law, always consult professional legal advice before taking something to court.

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Lol....I just might be!!!

 

 

Have'nt heard back yet. They should've received the papers last Tuesday, so I'm on the edge of my seat!!!

 

Great news about your claim, hope mine goes the same way

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Phoned the Court on Friday! Forms have'nt been processed yet so still waiting! Has anyone had any experience of claiming using the Summary Cause forms as opposed to Small Claims? Read on another thread that this procedure was intended for lawyers, but it's what the clerk at the court advised me to do as the claim is over £750. Slightly worried that this may incentivise the bank to lodge a defence

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  • 2 weeks later...

Used Summ cause, won first, waiting on settlement for no2. Not much difference in the 2 actions, sheriff Officer to serve summons and higher costs if you loose, but that ain't going to happen.

You havn't done anything wrong, Ordinary action requires a solicitor but not summ cause.

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Hi Quixote,

 

Just wanted to say good luck with claims.

 

I'm going through small claims route in Dundee Sheriff court too with Barclays( i have thread in scottish section also). In process of first claim, have return date for 30/10/06 and hearing date for 06/11/06. Getting a bit nervous, keep putting off getting court bundle organised!!

 

Summary Cause did sound easier to get it all back at once, but i re-thought too and went small claims route.

 

I will check in to see how your getting on, fingers crossed, not that we'll need it!!

 

Vikki

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Thanks Vikki :-)

 

Best of luck with your claim!!! Another friend of a friend has just received his first £750 from TSB, so it's looking as though things are on the up!!! Hope it works out for you & I'll keep posting progress reports as and when things develop

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I don't think he actually went to court :-) They just rolled over & paid out when the summons was served on them!!! I'm pretty sure the banks now they're on a sticky wicket, & the recent upsurge in consumer awareness (and justifiable fury!!!) is going to eventually result in a test case. In the meantime however, I think they're of the view that the majority of their customers are'nt aware that a course of redress exists (or if they are, they view it as too much trouble)

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I've got a hearing date!!!

 

News came on Friday........Return date, 12th December, Hearing date 18th :)

 

Should I expect a letter from the bank before then, do you think? Starting to prepare my case already. NOT going to be caught out by any fly lawyer if it comes to appearing in court!!!!!

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They've offered to settle!

 

£744 to drop the action (which is the capital amount I'm claiming for. No offer of expenses or interest though) Not sure what to do & could do with some reassurance. I've considered settling, but as I have a further claim (for around £350) I would'nt want to predjudice it. I'm of a mind to write back telling them I will settle all claims (without prejudice to future action) fo the full amount I intend to claim (£1096, plus 8% interest and expenses of £39) What would you guys/gals recommend I do?

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In my case they initially offered a settlement of only the charges, which I then rejected. Subsequently they offered the interest as well (although in my case I added the interest to the claim, which I'm not sure you have done).

 

As for trying to bring the rest of the money into it, I personally would not do that. Stick to doing it one claim at a time. Just be patient and you will also get your other money.

 

You could always give them one last chance after this action has been settled and before you put your court papers in for the next one.

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Oops!! Too late :-(

 

I replied to their letter stating that I would be prepared 'in principle' to settle prior to court action. I've asked them to settle the total sum of charges (£1094) and remove all default notices applied as a result of them, but offered (in good faith) to waive the interest & expenses. If this is'nt acceptable to them, it's off to court we go!!! I did state that the letter was written 'without prejudice', so that should ensure that it's a 'between me and them' matter at present. I'll let you all know what their response is...........

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Phew!!! Thanks for that. I kinda thought that if I demonstrated that if I was willing to settle, the bank would see the light & just cough up. Hope I made it clear to them that I was perfectly prepared to follow it through though

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Letter received 2nd December offering settlement of the capital sum! I returned the letter accepting the settlement. As part of the terms I dictated to them (see my post of Nov 14th), I should have received payment prior to today! I'm fizzing mad as they appear to be playing silly buggers yet again!

 

I'm seriously tempted to contact Neil McKirdy (customer relations) & tell them that settlement prior to court action is now not an option, and that I'll see them in court on the 18th!!!

 

Would somebody please tell me to take a deep breath? Or should I push back as hard as they seem to be doing?

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Clydesdale have settled in full re my first claim of over £5000 and I am back in court v. Clydesdale this week with a final claim for £3000 for another account. Would be interested to know how ou get on today - 18th Dec ?

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Does anyone know re the legislation which applies in Scotland for claiming charges on business accounts as opposed to personal accounts. Partnerships - not Ltd liability companies.

Does the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 apply or is it something else ??

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