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which woman are you referring to Peter? We CAN admit when we're wrong - e.g., I bought the WRONG shoes, this handbag looks WRONG with this outfit. I married the WRONG man. See....? :-)

 

Bravo! Ladybird1

 

Those from Venus 1 - Those from Mars 0 :grin::grin:

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The new Para. 6 substitutes the original Para. 11. I think the contents of that original para. and other parts of the original regs. may just mean the difference between champers or just desserts! :grin::grin:

You know it is the other way round. Helpme Tam this woman is driving me bonkers:D

You are joking right I. Why is it you women just can't admit it when you are wrong.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Morning Peter

 

Did you sleep well? :D:D

 

See what it says at the intro to the amended regs. 2004:

 

The Consumer Credit (Agreements) (Amendment) Regulations 2004 (SI 2004 No 1482) substantially amend the Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983 dealing with the form and content of consumer credit and consumer hire agreements.

 

So, they were a LOT different before this!!

 

Para. 11 of the original regs. has been changed!

 

I SO need a copy of those regs! I am going to put an SOS out.

 

Regards, Pam

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Now get back in the kitchenand do some housework:D .

 

Peter

 

What's a kitchen?!? :lol::lol:

 

 

 

Of course the new regs. cover any agreements taken out after May 2005, I would not dispute that, but many of us have agreements older than this that we are disputing and the new regs. are not applicable.

 

Do you really have a copy of the old regs.? You little devil you - you have been holding out on me! Off to your 'relevant filing system' immediately.:-)

 

Regards, Pam

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Peter,

 

Have you gone into hiding? :D

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from the Regs:

 

Coming into force - - 31st May 2005

 

So these modified Regulations are only for executed agreements after that date aren't they???

Quite right

 

Using the same logic, I assume the 1983 Regs are relevent to agreements after they come into force

Right again - all agreements executed before 31/5/05

 

... anyone know that date?? - do we have a link to these?

Peter may have them but I think he may now be in an air raid shelter somewhere! :grin:

 

thanks

 

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5.

—(1) Regulation 3 (form and content of regulated consumer hire agreements) shall be

amended as follows.

(2) For paragraph 4 substitute—

“(4) Subject to paragraph (5) below the information, statements of the protection and

remedies, signature and separate boxes which this regulation requires documents

embodying regulated consumer hire agreements to contain, shall be set out in the order

given by paragraphs (a) to (e) below under, where applicable, the headings specified

below:—

(a) the nature of the agreement as set out in paragraph 1 of Schedule 3 to these

Regulations;

(b) the parties to the agreement as set out in paragraph 2 of Schedule 3 to these

Regulations;

© under the heading “Key Financial Information”, the financial and related

particulars set out in paragraphs 3 to 8 of Schedule 3 to these Regulations;

(d) under the heading “Key Information”—

(i) the information set out in paragraphs 9 to 11 of Schedule 3 to these

Regulations; and

(ii) the statements of protection and remedies set out in Schedule 4 to these

Regulations; and

(e) the signature box and, where applicable, the separate box required by paragraph (6)

below,

and such information, statements of protection and remedies, signature and separate boxes

shall be shown together as a whole and shall not be preceded by any information apart from

trade names, logos or the reference number of the agreement or interspersed with any other

information or wording apart from subtotals of total amounts and cross references to the

terms of the agreement.”.

 

I cant fid a copy of the finished reprint but this is as good as as you well know.Now stop winding me up and get back to you ironiong .Oh but get some of your mates from your knitting circle to sign the pettition.

 

By the way Battleaxe you are welcome to come over but please dont drive you might haeve to reverse into our lane and you know haw bad you ladies are at that;)

Iwill now look up transitional arrangements for SI s

 

Peter

 

 

 

YES - BUT, THIS IS THE NEW REGS.!!!!!

APPLICABLE ONLY FROM 31/05/05!!!

 

So, you don't have a copy of the old ones then?

 

BTW - I don't do knitting and my ironing pile is humungous because I spend so much time on here. :)

 

Were you getting lonely in the air raid shelter then?

 

Regards, Pam

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P.S. I have copied your signature and saved it but it's not showing on my posts yet :confused:

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Pam - don't you just hate "four letter words?"

 

WASH, COOK, IRON. DUST :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Yup! They should all be abolished. Shall we start a petition? :D

 

Regards, Pam

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hi

Credit cards are covered by the legislation dealing with credit tokens and although a running account credit does not fall foul of section 74, which says that overdrafts drawn on a current acout are exempt from section 61 etc and ther fore 77.

 

The you can default an overdraft because it is covered by part by section 60 etc(Patrt V) of the agremment.

 

Peter

 

Peter

 

Have we driven you to drink?! :-o I can't make head or tail out of this post! :?

 

Regards, Pam

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Tam to the rescue yet again :)

 

Try here Pam

 

The consumer credit (credit-token agreements) regulations 1983

 

Statutory instruments 1983 1555

 

 

 

TSO Online Bookshop - Advanced Search

 

If one link doesnt work try the other

 

Thanks Tam, I will have to order a copy. Peter keeps throwing me red herrings! :D

 

Regards, Pam

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Hi

I now have a copy of the orriginal 1983 1553 regs I have tried to scan it but i cannot get it to open anyway it says.

 

(4)Subject to paragraph 5) below. The information about financial and related parrticulars set out in paagaphs 2 to 9 of f Schedule 3 to these Regulations shall be shown togeger as a whole in documens embodyying regulated consumer hire agrfeements and not interspersed with other informating apart from subtotals of total amounts and cross references to tierm of the agrement.

 

 

Hi Peter

 

The section you quote above relates to consumer hire agreements. Can you scan the part relating to fixed credit/running account agreements?

 

Regards, Pam

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Pam

 

Arrrrrrgh

It was a typo it should read consumer credit agreements as it does in the book.If it was a hire agreement it wouldn't be covered by the cca anyway.

 

Pam i only have a little hair left and i have just pulled out a hand full. I bet you like pulling the legs off spiders.

 

Peter

 

Ok, I believe you (but only about the typo!:D:D). I request a stay of proceedings until I get a copy of the 1983 regs. so I can read all of it.

 

No, I catch spiders gently in a glass and re-introduce them to the great outdoors!

 

Don't pull your hair out, it only makes more work for the long-suffering Mrs P! :D:D:D

 

Regards, Pam

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Sorry M55, it's no excuse, but I have a lot going on at the mo - just revisin for some work-related exams which are soooooo hard plus all this going on.....please forgive me!! :wink: lol

 

See Pam that is how a man appologises when they are wrong. Not sure it applies to ladies but you could give it a go.

 

;) Peter

 

Now look here! I know all about apologising - I do it all day long:

 

I'm sorry I'm a better driver than you!

 

I'm sorry your not as smart as me!

 

I'm sorry you look fat in that!

 

I'm sorry I ever set eyes on you!

 

I'm sorry, but your wrong!

 

etcetera, etcetera.

 

See - I'm really good at apologising! :D

 

Regards, Pam

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I've just received a final response letter with a copy of an agreement from a bank I sent a s77 request to who are guilty of a criminal offence, the 2+12+month expiring in December. However, they've sent an agreement for an old closed account & not for the account I sent the request for on top of which that agreement has no signature boxes (indicated they're on reverse along with more T&Cs but no copy of the reverse)

 

It seems they consider the matter closed & they're charging me for not making repayments. Am going to complain to TS & write back rejecting what they've sent but wondered if anyone had any extra advice. My thread is Suspect I have no loan agrrement

 

Hi

 

I think Acerfan is referring to a bank loan, which is subject to s77.

 

Regards, Pam

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Hi again

 

It's definitely a loan according to his thread so s77 will apply and he's done all the right things so far.

 

Regards, Pam

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I may be getting my wires crossed here, but Term seems to believe that an overdraft is indeed covered by s78. I've re-read the s74 section V exemption you uncovered earlier, but I cannot see a corresponding VI exemption for overdrafts and s77/8 are both in VI. Now, Term will hopefully post his thoughts later on today, but this would have a significant impact on banks if indeed an overdraft is covered under s78. The whole issue of default notices issued on overdrafts does still seem to have some mileage in it and I'm still hopeful that s74 doesn't exempt it.

 

 

Hi

 

Overdrafts have already been discussed on pages 90-95 of this thread.

 

Basically they are running account credit agreements covered in general by the CCA by but are (by virtue of s74) exempt from Part V of the Act.

 

Therefore there is no requirement for a formal agreement and so nothing would be forthcoming under a s78 request. The banks only have to notify you in writing of your OD limit, interest rate and procedure for termination when you are granted an authorised OD. There would be no reason to send a statement under s78 either as you receive these monthly or on request anyway.

 

Regards, Pam

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OK I was getting my wires crossed here. I've mis-interpreted what Term said, so I was correct in my original 2180 post on page 109 then!

 

Hi

 

Yes you were right! The Act does not explicitly exempt OD's from the s77/78 section but there is no formal agreement to get a copy of and statements are provided regularly anyway.

 

Regards, Pam

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Hi all

 

Have any of you seen the recent letter that tifo received from the OFT about s77/78 requests. VERY interesting - particularly the parts highlighted in red!!

 

Great news for all going through this process and where no 'true' copy has been supplied (the majority I think). :D:D

 

Link to his thread below:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/61207-lowell-group-2-defaults.html#post551413

 

Regards, Pam

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Pam, the OFT letter you are linking to does not mention executed agreements? This is good news for loans and the like, but how does this affect credit cards?

 

Hi

 

Have copied the main part of the letter below:

 

 

 

We investigate all complaints received about consumer credit licence holders and, where we have the necessary evidence, we do take appropriate action. In our initial investigation of all complaints we consider how many complaints we have received overall and how strong the evidence is to support any action. It is unlikely that a licence would be revoked on the strength of one complaint. Where we have strong evidence that unfair business practices have occurred, we may take steps to revoke or refuse the licence of the business in question. However, if we are to do this we need to take account of factors such as the number of complaints received how recent they are and how well evidenced. In cases where evidence is less strong we may issue a warning letter to the business putting it on notice that its behaviour, if repeated, will call their fitness to hold a licence into question. Any action we do take has to be proportionate. If an approach from the OFT makes a trader change its behaviour and treat consumers fairly in future, this is preferable to putting a trader out of business.

 

For your information, the general effects of sections 77-79 requires the creditor/owner (in the case of a hire agreement) under an agreement for (fixed-sum credit, running account credit and hire agreement) to provide the debtor/hirer with a copy of the executed agreement and a statement of account on request.

 

If a creditor/owner fails to comply with a valid request within a period of 12 days (not including the date of receipt of the request) he may not enforce the agreement at all. This prevents enforcement with or without a court order. If a default lasts for a month (for example a calendar month) it constitutes an offence. We understand your concerns in this matter but please do remember however that once the creditor/owner complies with the request albeit out of time, he may once again enforce the agreement.

 

A ‘true copy’ of an agreement principally consists of the terms and conditions of the agreement and the statutory content of the agreement. The name, address and signature of the debtor do not have to be provided. Additionally, the creditor must supply the total sum paid under the agreement by the debtor; the total sum which has become payable under the agreement but remains unpaid; and the total sum which is to become payable under the agreement by the debtor (the latter two must include the various amounts comprised in that total sum and the date when each is/was due). However, the copy must be a copy. It need not be exact on immaterial points, but it cannot be a conjectured reconstruction. If the trader has no original copy, the trader will have difficulty showing that he has complied with the regulation by supplying a ‘true copy’, since nobody would know what was in the original. When the trader comes to enforce the debt in court, he needs to have a signed copy of the agreement in order to enforce. As the law stands currently he cannot otherwise.

 

In the absence of a copy of the original agreement someone's liability for a debt can only lead to further query. However in circumstances like this we would view it is as unfair practice under section 25(2) (d) of the Act and relevant to licence fitness if a trader failed to investigate and/or provide details as appropriate when a debt is queried or disputed.

 

 

 

The letter refers to running accounts (credit cards) as well as loans and is about copies of the executed agreement. It reinforces our argument that all copies of agreements (credit cards included) must be a 'true' copy of the original executed agreement, containing all of the prescribed information.

 

Regards, Pam

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Hi all

 

I want to 'rate' this thread as excellent but there doesn't appear to an option to do this here as there is on other threads!

 

Does anyone know why this is?

 

Regards, Pam

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Helloooooooooooooooooooo!!!

 

It's deadly quiet on here tonight. Am I the only one sad enough to be in on a Saturday night?

 

Ah well, my own fault - I should start some reclaiming of my own instead of reading others' success stories!

 

Trouble is, I am Sooo skint, I can't afford the court fees at the moment. My offspring were all very inconsiderate and all 4 arrived in this world in Feb and March when I am still skint from Xmas, so am now shelling out for their birthdays.

 

I don't really know why I am waffling on but this nice large glass of vino I am partaking of might have something to do with it. Hick!! (Left over from Xmas I might add :)) Burp!

 

Regards, Pam

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Hi tam

 

Painting doors at this time of night??

 

Are you in the 'doghouse'? doing penance??

 

Have you been neglecting your OH? :D:D

 

Regards, Pam

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I am here too - just catching up with reading & plotting, vino and burping too!! :D

 

Hi Elizabeth,

 

Yes, I have been doing much plotting too and have all my strategies prepared for each of my impending challenges, thanks to the wonderful people on this site (especially the ones who have gone first and taken the first shots from the enemy!!) - just need some dosh ready to take them on if necessary.

 

Regards, Pam

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Oh, sorry tam, hope I didn't offend you! :o

 

I wish I could get in the mood for some DIY! We are planning to sell our house for something smaller now the chicks have flown but I can't muster up any enthusiasm for 'refreshing' at the moment.

 

Maybe when I have tackled my creditors I might be in a position to pay someone else to do it! :D

 

Regards, Pam

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As it's a quiet night, here is a question that has just crossed my mind :)

 

How long do you think it will be before one of these companies starts offering some of us on here a job to help them get their act together ??

 

:rolleyes:

 

Well, any one of us is obviously more on the ball than most of the cr***ns they employ. But they won't want to 'get their act together' because they rely almost exclusively on working around the CCA and other consumer legislation

and on our ignorance of that!

 

Regards, Pam

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