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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I joined a gym in Nottingham around 6months ago. Its part of the "Ashmourne Gym's".

 

I signed up for a 3yr deal @ £17 a month (or so) but was told by each employee at the gym i could cancel it if i lost my job or moved from the area where the gym is.

 

I do not live near the gym, i just used this gym as my company was situation across the street.

 

I've since been made redundant and sent the gym a letter stating that i've moved from the area as i no longer work for this company and its too far away for me to travel to use the gym.

 

Over the past few months they've sent me numerous letter saying that if i do not pay the full amont of £680.00 (which is the full rate + admin fees etc) I will be put into default registration and a company will contact me demanding the money or take me to court etc.

 

After i sent the first letter to them stating that i wanted to cancel, i got a letter in the post later that month saying that i still need to pay the £680, so i rang them and said that i sent a letter blah blah, but they had never received it? So i said i'll send another copy of the letter and did. Then i get another letter from them a month later saying that if i do not pay £680 within 10 days i will get court proceedings etc. I rang them again and stated that i've sent copies of my letter etc twice previously and this will be the third time. (So i send the letters again).

 

I spoken with this company (debt collectors or whatever they are) that aretrying to get the money from me and they say that it doesnt matter if ive sent Ashbourne letter etc as they claim they never recieved them, But i still need to pay the £680 or im going to get court proceedings, etc.

 

I think i used this gym all of 2 times, and i hadnt even received a membership card etc.

 

What do i do as i cannot afford £680.00 or go to court....

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Hi there,

 

It sounds like you're in a similar situation to me. Have a look at my thread (simply called Ashbourne Management) it may be helpful. The guys on here are great at giving advice. Don't worry, and try not to get too stressed! Help is at hand...

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Hi Leekyr and welcome to CAG

 

Have a good read of Rosie's thread here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?291124-Ashbourne-management&p=3266219&viewfull=1#post3266219

 

You will find useful letters there and on other Ashbourne threads.

 

Is it ARC that are chasing you now.

 

Don't bother arguing with these people, especially by phone. If they call you, tell them you will only deal with matters by post. Do not rise to any threats of court or other action. Just say, "Please put anything you have to say in writing. Goodbye."

 

Write to them using something like the letter in Rosie's post #10, adapted to reflect your own case. Send it to Ashbourne by Rec'd Del'y and add a line saying:-

 

I enclose a copy of my earlier letter (sent to you twice already) which you apparently never received. As this letter is being sent by Recorded Delivery, this is no longer an excuse you can use.

 

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Ashbourne Management Services Ltd

PO Box 10920

Shirley

Solihull

B90 8YB

 

Date: 22 Nov 2010

 

Dear Sir or Madam (Litigation Department),

Ashbourne Ref No: CXC592001

After calling Ashbourne and being adviced that I needed to send a formal letter to cancel my membership please read below.

Further to your letter stating that I need to pay £680.00 within the next 7days or I will face “default registration which will affect my credit record for the next 6 years”, I was assured by the staff at the gym that I would be able to cancel my membership at any time without penalty.

The reason this gym was being used was because my place of work was situation a couple of street along and it was convenient for me to use. Now that I have been mad redundant and have no means of getting to the gym or the Long Eaton, Nottingham area then I would like to cancel my membership.

Any queries please contact me on mobile No. xxxxxxx

Many Thanks,

 

Regards

Leekyr

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Ashbourne Management Services Ltd

PO Box 10920

Shirley

Solihull

B90 8YB

 

Date: 15 Jan 2011

Dear Sir or Madam (Litigation Department),

Ashbourne Ref No: CXC592001

 

With reference to my letter dated 22nd Nov 2010

After my previous letter/correspondence with yourselves I am sending another letter to confirm I want to cancel my gym membership as I lost my job (as detailed on my previous letter 22nd nov 2010).

Please cancel my membership immediatly and do not forward any more threatening letter stating that I need to pay £680.00 immediatly or face default registration.

 

Any queries please contact me on mobile No. xxxxxxx

Many Thanks,

 

Regards

Leekyr

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Ashbourne Management Services Ltd

PO Box 10920

Shirley

Solihull

B90 8YB

 

CC: ARC (Europe) Ltd Ref:

This letter has been sent via recorded delivery.

 

Dear Sir or Madam (Litigation Department),

 

I refer to your letter of 07/04/2011 which I received Today 12/04/2011, and other correspondence from ARC (Europe) Ltd.

Ashbourne Ref No: CXC592001

 

When joining the gym, I was assured by staff at the gym before signing the contract that I was able to cancel the membership at any times without any penalties. This is obviously not the case as I tried to cancel my membership months ago due to losing my job, which has resulted in threatening letters demanding the sum of “£680.00 within the next seven days”.

 

Like previously mentioned in my other letters to you, you should now consider this matter to be in clear dispute for various reasons including, but not limited to:-

 

1. Staff at the gym said that I could cancel easily and without penalty.

 

2. I told staff I would be using the gym mainly to lose weight and in the discussion was again told that I could cancel the membership when I felt happy with my weight loss and wanted to leave, all without penalty.

 

3. At no stage was I told the membership term was for 36 months, or shown any terms and conditions of a "contract".

 

4. In a phone call to the gym about my complete in ability to use the facilities because I had been made redundant and was located nowhere near the gym, making it difficult and highly expensive to travel to the gym.

 

4. Ashbourne is considered by the OFT to be behaving unfairly with regard to UTCCR 1999; CCA1974 and CPUT 2008.

 

5. Ashbourne is the defendant in High Court proceedings brought by the OFT, due to be heard in March/April 2011.

 

I consider that Ashbourne have failed to treat me fairly and dispute that I owe you any further monies.

 

If you make any further demands of me, I will refer the matter to the FOS for clear breach of the OFT Debt Collection Guidelines.

 

If you make, or cause to be made, any adverse credit markers with any credit reference agency, I will take action against you for damage to my reputation.

 

Also, please find attached copies of my letter sent to Ashbourne previously. You have either not received all copies of my previous letters or have just refused to comment/reply to them.

 

I trust I have made my position clear.

 

 

Regards

 

Leekyr

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Above are the 3 letters that I have sent to date.

 

They claim to have never received any so I sent the last 1 recorded delivery and sent a copy to ARC. (Which costs £2.50 + !!!! ) Could I claim this back or something along like that?

 

Slick do you think I've been correct so far, or should I send another letter or just wait for a reply?

 

Thanks for all your help, its much appreciated and I will make any donation to the club if need...

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Hi Leekyr,

 

I've removed your name and moby no. from your posts above. Keeping anonymous is a good idea. Keeping your phone no. hidden from Ashbourne and everyone else is an even better one !! :wink:

 

Donations to CAG are always very welcome, thanks. This enables us to continue to offer support to those who need us. :-D

 

You can only reclaim postage and other costs if you take them to court, which is not likely to happen.

 

Your letters look fine although Ashbourne and ARC may just ignore them and continue to pester for money. If this happens, complain to the FOS.

 

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Send off the letter to Ashbourne and a copy to ARC.

 

If either of them continue to make demands, you can complain to the FOS. Hover your cursor over FOS and an info link box will open. They are the Financial Ombudsman's Office.

 

You can also complain to Consumer Direct/Trading Standards.

 

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Slick,

 

Thanks for all the help so far...

 

I'll update with any letter that I receive in the next few days (or whenever they come) and ask for your further advise.

 

PS: When I get a moment to spare lol i'll make a donation to CAG for all the help.

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Another letter received after posting the above letter RECORDED delivery.

 

Dear Mr Leek,

 

Please note that ARC Europe Ltd is a debt collection "agent", acting in good faith on the instructions received from a "disclosed" principal, namely Ashbourne Management services Ltd. We are therefore authorised to write to you in connection with the above matter and to do so. Please note that there has been NO "assignment" of the debt from Ashbourne Management Services Ltd to ARC Europe Ltd.

 

We have referred your comments to our client and will revert back to you if instructed to do so. In the meantime, please direct any further correspondence to our client.

 

We have acted in accordance with our clients instructions and within current collection legislation and guidance. We reserve the right to produce this letter to any Tribunal, regulatory body or investigating authority to prove our compliance and good conduct in this matter.

 

Yours sincerely

 

J Turner

 

ARC Europe Ltd.

 

 

 

 

 

What do I do from here? Reply or not to reply?

 

(Thanks for the all the help Slick)

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Good, that's ARC backing off for a while.

 

Now wait and see if Ashbourne can manage a reply.

 

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Not yet, as far as I know.

 

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Hi Leeky,

 

Maybe send a copy of your last letter to Ashbourne saying, in the absence of any reply from them, you assume that they now agree you owe them nothing.

 

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Hi Leekyr,

 

If you want to leave it alone whilst they are quiet, that is your prerogative of course.

 

See what happens and let us know.

 

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This is a new one.

 

I have just received a text message from a mobile number saying that my Ashbourne Membership is Overdue. Please call 01564 334 599 quoting CXC******, security code *****.

 

This is the first time i've ever been texted by them.

 

It's also been sent from a 07 number i.e. a mobile phone unless im mistaken.

 

What should I do from here?

 

 

 

Rick.

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Just ignore them.

 

We should know the High Court's ruling on Friday, so you can decide how to deal with them properly after then.

 

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Slick,

 

I've just received another letter this morning from Ashbourne.... Its goes as follows : -

 

ADdress

****

****

Reference: ****

Date : 20/5/1011

 

Dear Member,

 

We refer to our previous corresondence and note that we have still not received a payment from you.

 

We received confirmation that default registration of your debt has now taken place with a leading credit refernce agency. This means that you could now classified as a credit risk with financial institutions. This could start to affect severly your ability to obtain credit, even down to using a credit card. This situation wil continue to get worse as more searches are conducted.

 

However, if you pay £680.00 within the next seven days, your default registration will then be erased from the agencys files with no records made, or it will be shown as satisfied.

 

There are four ways in which you bring your payments up to date:

 

1. Settle your aco**** online @ ashbournepayments,co,uk etc etc etc

2. Pay over the phone by credit/direct debit card, 24hours etc etc etc

3. Please contact our customer service team on 0870 ******* quoting member reference number etc etc etc

4. Send a cheque/postal order by post, endorsed with your membership reference etc etc etc

 

If you continue to do nothing, the default registration will remain in place for the next six years, affecting every aspect of your financial life.

 

If you would like to clear this bad debt but are unable to pay £680.00 immediately, we can refer you to a debt DR, a company which provides real solutions to debt issues. They offer free initial confidential consultation through a personal visit. For more information visit debtdr,co,uk.

 

We trust you will give this matter your immediate attention.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

Collections Dept.

 

 

 

 

Basically a repeat of all previous letter to which I either ignored or replied to.

 

Their line "If you continue to do nothing, the default registration will remain in place for the next six years, affecting every aspect of your financial life.", how can they say this? I've replied to most of their recent letters are your advice.

 

What should I do next Slick?

 

Anychance of a letter template to reply with? I'd rather send them a letter now before getting the outcome from the courts just to try and "cover " myself even further.

 

Cheers.

 

Rick.

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As we're now so close to the High Court ruling, I'd simply write saying,

 

I note the content of your letter of xxdate.

 

I warned you in my letter of 12th April of the consequences if you register a Default against my credit records. Unless it is removed immediately, I will take all necessary steps to have it removed and to seek compensation from you.

 

I believe the High Court ruling is due to be handed down shortly in the case brought by the OFT against yourselves.

 

I will await this decision and then decide what action to take against you myself.

 

In the meantime, I remind you that this matter is still in clear dispute and you should desist from taking any further action.

 

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As we're now so close to the High Court ruling, I'd simply write saying,

 

I note the content of your letter of xxdate.

 

I warned you in my letter of 12th April of the consequences if you register a Default against my credit records. Unless it is removed immediately, I will take all necessary steps to have it removed and to seek compensation from you.

 

I believe the High Court ruling is due to be handed down shortly in the case brought by the OFT against yourselves.

 

I will await this decision and then decide what action to take against you myself.

 

In the meantime, I remind you that this matter is still in clear dispute and you should desist from taking any further action.

 

8-)

 

 

So basically word for word as above? do I need to send a copy to ARC?

 

Also, what is likely to come from the Courts about this? And what effect would that have on us?

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Yes you can use my wording verbatim or adapt further as you wish.

 

As we are so close to the High Court ruling, I see no point in guessing what will be said, or how this will affect gym membership contracts.

 

Just a few more days....................

 

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