Thread gone missing, deleted?

[sequenci]

So basically you have deemed the t4ts thread as libelous ,so you have deemed to be judge and jury , sad sad day for the just.

 

I haven't seen the thread. If it has been removed by the site team it would have been due to the fact that it breached the rules. CAG isn't a commercial entity and so cannot afford expensive litigation, thus we have to be super careful with anything which may cause an issue. For the record, I'm not saying that the thread was removed for that reason - it is, however, one of the main reasons as to why threads do get removed. There WAS a potentially libelous comment removed from *this* thread, and if the other had comments in a similar vein I can fully understand why it may have been taken down.

 

Apologies if this has caused offence to anyone but we wish to ensure the survival of CAG.

 

Best wishes.

[sequenci]

 

And someone please close the window, its cold and free speech has blown out the window, along with loads of helpful posts.

 

Sorry you feel that way. Perhaps you can spend a bit of time researching this area. Perhaps you will then appreciate the difficulties in moderating a forum like this. It's not a simply task, I can assure you of that.

 

Here's a good place to start:

 

http://www.scl.org/site.aspx?i=ed1027

 

p.s. we do understand your frustrations.

[andycollette]

What comment would that be , no matter which way you look it shows me that free speech has no place on this forum.

I was conned by a very well organised and well rehearsed company of cr***s, and so by my understanding of this forum by the deleted thread so were a great majority of other people, who were just trying to earn a honest living by Learning a trade that in no way shape or form could possibly come true.

[sequenci]

What comment would that be , no matter which way you look it shows me that free speech has no place on this forum.

I was conned by a very well organised and well rehearsed company of cr***s, and so by my understanding of this forum by the deleted thread so were a great majority of other people, who were just trying to earn a honest living by Learning a trade that in no way shape or form could possibly come true.

 

Do you actually understand the principles of free speech and the rules surrounding defamation?

 

I admit, the law in the UK is pretty draconian and needs to be changed; but until then potentially libelous comments will have to be moderated. The site rules have been written to ensure the survival of CAG. I appreciate your ill feelings to this company. There are plenty of ways in which that can expressed which will not get this forum into trouble.

[andycollette]

So now we are on to defamation , the way i understand it if i accussed someone of something that was untrue and tainted there name that would be defamation of character.

likewise the same of a company, i know the difference between right and wrong, i would not spend my time going round spreading malicious rummors ,so i find that remark a bit off .

[random.internet.user]

Obviously we aren't getting anywhere and I do understand that CAG can't afford to be sued, so how about this then.

 

We start a new thread, we don't state any negative things about them publicly on the forum, only via pm with people who need help. Would that help? They can state their case (financial company, course cost any any other important information ect) but no personal feelings or anything on how/why they need to be avoided at all costs?

 

This at least means that others can get anonymous help. Any idea's appreciated. This won't be defamation, correct?

 

 

So now we are on to defamation , the way i understand it if i accussed someone of something that was untrue and tainted there name that would be defamation of character.

likewise the same of a company, i know the difference between right and wrong, i would not spend my time going round spreading malicious rummors ,so i find that remark a bit off .

 

I don't know much about how it works, but I assume this is the main thing. The law is pretty pants. While this sucks, some murderers and rapists go free. If we (as a country) are to get anywhere near were we should be, priority need to be made.

[sequenci]

So now we are on to defamation , the way i understand it if i accussed someone of something that was untrue and tainted there name that would be defamation of character.

likewise the same of a company, i know the difference between right and wrong, i would not spend my time going round spreading malicious rummors ,so i find that remark a bit off .

 

I never said you did.

 

Please take time to read the link I posted up, it should hopefully clarify a few things.

[Telemicus]

random, I think that would be a good idea - however, there is no reason why negative things can't be said - provided that as CAG have said they are a statement of fact. So it would be fair to say something along the lines of "their sales literature clearly shows trademarks from XXXXXX, but I have a written statement from XXXXXX stating that they do not have any affiliation with the company, based on this, I understand this to be a breach of the law". You could then state your actual experience of trying to resolve it for example "the company has refused to make a direct response to this and have made various excuses to avoid giving me a straight answer". It would not be right to say - "they are a complete shower of ******".

 

I do wonder however if it is an issue to say "in my own personal opinion they are a complete shower of ******". I guess this should still be avoided as you are using the CAG forum to express such opinion.

[random.internet.user]

random, I think that would be a good idea - however, there is no reason why negative things can't be said - provided that as CAG have said they are a statement of fact. So it would be fair to say something along the lines of "their sales literature clearly shows trademarks from XXXXXX, but I have a written statement from XXXXXX stating that they do not have any affiliation with the company, based on this, I understand this to be a breach of the law". You could then state your actual experience of trying to resolve it for example "the company has refused to make a direct response to this and have made various excuses to avoid giving me a straight answer". It would not be right to say - "they are a complete shower of ******".

 

I do wonder however if it is an issue to say "in my own personal opinion they are a complete shower of ******". I guess this should still be avoided as you are using the CAG forum to express such opinion.

 

Haha, no matter how nicely you put it, the truth always comes out lol.

 

But yes, you are right. I was thinking more along the lines of "they mis-sold the course in which turned out to be 2 and a half hours of my life wasted" can't be said, no matter how true and factual it is..... because it can't be proven.

 

Please can a mod confirm this should work though. Of course any posts which are deemed to break this rules will be reported.... or requested to be edited.

[sequenci]

You could write something like 'I beleive the course was mis-sold to me'

 

You cannot write something like Sequenci's Car Repairs is a corrupt institution full of criminals and theives.

 

Hope this is OK?

[random.internet.user]

Im sorry, but I fail to see where we went wrong then. I know you never saw the thread, but nearly every post said 'I beleive the course was mis-sold to me'. Im pretty sure we never said they were corrupt or scumbags.

[sequenci]

Im sorry, but I fail to see where we went wrong then. I know you never saw the thread, but nearly every post said 'I beleive the course was mis-sold to me'. Im pretty sure we never said they were corrupt or scumbags.

 

Without seeing the thread I really don't know the answer.

 

What I do know is that threads or posts usually get pulled becuase:

 

a) they are deformatory

b) breach some other site rule (e.g. racist etc.)

c) they have been at the request of the original poster (this is quite rare)

 

If it is none of them my only other idea is that it might have been swallowed by part of the forum upgrade perhaps?

[random.internet.user]

Without seeing the thread I really don't know the answer.

 

What I do know is that threads or posts usually get pulled becuase:

 

a) they are deformatory

b) breach some other site rule (e.g. racist etc.)

c) they have been at the request of the original poster (this is quite rare)

 

If it is none of them my only other idea is that it might have been swallowed by part of the forum upgrade perhaps?

 

I have no idea why then. It wasn't due to the upgrade, I had my adblock remove some of the images/features because they got in the way.

 

Maybe the guy was having a bad day.

[MARTIN3030]

I will try and see what I can find out about this.

As has been posted,threads or individual posts are never removed or edited without good reason.

In this instance it seems to me that the OP has not had any notification as to why the thread was removed,and I can understand therefore the frustration.

Please bear.

I will contact the OP personally once I can find out more.

Its not policy to be discussing individual complaints or concerns in the open forum,I think most will understand the reasons for that.

[MARTIN3030]

Its disappointing to see some of the comments being made,in particular those which are totally unfounded and suggest that the CAG is not pro-actively supporting its members.

I did say I was looking into things on behalf of concerns expressed,but seems that some have no patence to await it.

I am closing the thread,and have to ask again for restraint against any further posts that undermine the ethos and purpose of the site.

I will,as I said,try to find out more and contact the OP once in reciept of the info.