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Hello.

 

I wonder if you can help me. I received a PCCN on 3rd May for being parked in a 'pay and display car park' without a ticket. However, there wasn't any signs to show that it was one - the only signs were ones said it was for season ticket holders only between certain hours. I parked outside these hours. If there were any signs/machines - I certainly couldn't see them from where I was parked. Are there any regulations which say how many signs are needed etc?

 

I sent an appeal to NCP saying there was inadequate signage but they rejected it saying there was. They also discussed signs which they had on their database - these are not the signs I was referring to or saw in the car park. I sent back another appeal around 5 days ago asking for these to be sent to me as I think they're making it up. Is this heard of?

 

It was in a station car park if that makes any difference - they are quoting a breach of rail byelaws. Is this a legitimate breach?

 

Having read the forum, I realise I should probably had ignored it but had already appealed before I had read it.

 

I would be grateful for any help you could give me.

 

Kind Regards,

 

John

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Look on here John for lots of useful info about dealing with parking tickets

 

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It was in a station car park if that makes any difference - they are quoting a breach of rail byelaws. Is this a legitimate breach?

Breaching railway byelaws can be a serious and enforcable offence, however PPCs don't seem to ever enforce legally under the byelaws. I wonder if it is anything to do with the fact that if they procecuted under byelaws they wouldn't get to see a penny of the fine?!

 

Having read the forum, I realise I should probably had ignored it but had already appealed before I had read it.

It's never too late to start to ignore a PPC. Start now!

 

I would be grateful for any help you could give me.

 

Kind Regards,

 

John

 

Can you post pics of the PCCN so that it can be checked that they haven't actually issued it under railway byelaws. The chances of them having done so are about nil, but it doesn't hurt to have it check. :)

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Can you post pics of the PCCN so that it can be checked that they haven't actually issued it under railway byelaws. The chances of them having done so are about nil, but it doesn't hurt to have it check. :)

 

The ticket is pretty much identical to this one issued below (except the date/station is different):

 

Picasa Web Albums - Biggles - Parking Ticket

 

Thank you to the original poster for uploading their ticket!

 

Thanks for your advice.

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Look on here John for lots of useful info about dealing with parking tickets

 

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Good link. a very very small number of people understand equitable title, accepted for value etc and what signing government documents (or any documents) involves. Most people don't know the difference between a statement and a bill ! It should be taught in schools - but then so should the Three Rs.

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hi can i ask for an update on this please? i've been given a ticket at the O2 car park its NCp but quotes the bye laws- say's i hadn't parked correctly in the bays. i ignored it but received a letter from them so not sure what my next steps should be - any help would be great

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it says notice of breach of rail byelaws and it is the car park for the north greenwhich line by the O2 even though its NCP. there are 2 car parks there 1 is a pay and display(this is where i got the ticket) the other is a pay when you leave - they are next to each other and i thought they were both NCP. teh 2nd one people park where they like - even on double yellows and they do not get tickets

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It IS fraud.

 

• do not pay

• do not contact them

ignore their junkmail - expect letters from Roxburge and Graham White

 

 

Can you scan your ticket for us as well? I have about 10 now and want to forward them all to NCP's and NCL's local Trading Standards in Westgate and Croydon.

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i'll try to get it scanned in also the letter. i've read on other websites that they are actually real tickets and i will have to pay? it doesn't say anything about increased amounts the letter says i have 28 days to dispute it.

surely as they have contacted me i need to at least respond saying i'm not going to pay it?

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oh really no it doesn't it just says parking contravention charge notice - notice of breach of rail byelaws parking contravention charge no cp etc etc.

 

so i presume they'll do a follow up letter, then threaten me with legal action and then pass to a debt collector? what should i do / when if that happens?

 

thanks for all your help with this guys its much appreciated!:D

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Debt collectors are powerless to do anything- so you just ignore them. If they visit your house you send them away (after telling them you are withdrawing their implicit right of access to your property, so any further visits constitute trespass). They can't even touch your credit score.

 

They could only send in bailiffs (which can take your goods) if all of the below happened:

they filed a claim against you (which you'd have the opportunity to defend)- this is very unlikely

-they won - this is almost inconceivable with a proper defence, focusing on the nature of the charge (a penaty charge) and the illegality of penalty charges

-and, having lost, you didn't pay the amount ordered by the court within 21 days of the court hearing

 

You've probably got more chance of winning the lottery.

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There is no chance of them taking you to court for a "parking charge contravention notice" on which they clearly implied (illegally) that it was issued under byelaws. This statement is in itself fraudulent and if they want to show that to a court then I think you should give them all the help you can to get them there. :)

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i found this in an old thread regarding bye laws should i be concerned? sorry if i'm soundin gparanoid just want to be 100% i should ignore my notice!

 

"this is slightly different from private car parks as the Railway have Bye-laws which are enforcable and ARE legal.

I believe that railway property is private land owned by the rail operating company. They have specific bye-laws in relation to what you can and cant do on railway property. you may find that you may be in breach of one of these bye-lawes, possibly bye-law25 or 26, I cant remember which one but I would suggest before taking any further action you go to any railway station and ask for a copy of the bye-laws. You are entitled to by law to ask for a copy and they DO have to issue you with such on request. Sorry to put a dampener on things but as I said, these Bye-Laws are similar to local statute laws that the councils use.

I used to be in the British Transport Police so I do have some knowledge in relation to the Bye-Laws."

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My understanding is that they could, in theory, take the OP to a magistrates' court under byelaw 14, but any fine payable would go to the Government and not to the PPC.

 

I think this explains why no PPC, as far as I know, has ever taken anyone to court over a byelaw offence- there's nothing in it for them.

 

Therefore, I don't think the OP has anything to worry about.

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hi just received anothe rletter from NCP- a pre legal notification saying if i do not pay in 14 days of issue of this notice the case will be passed on to a debt collectin agencu who may commence enforcement proceedings via the county court.

it also goes on to say a county court judgement would be placed on public record etc etc

 

then it says if the court judgement were to remain unsatisfied a warrant of execution would then be issues by court bailiffs

 

i am now getting worried - should i not at least respond to contest the fine in teh first place? i knwo everyone keeps saying ignore everything but i'm a woman on my own so am getting extremely worried

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