PCN issued by camden with cctv evidence

[ashyb]

Hi, i have recently received a pcn for the following contravention:

*failing to drive shown by the arrow on a blue sign (proceeding in the wrong direction)* in great russell street wc1

 

i subsequently rang them asking for help viewing the video evidence which is apparently available. i also asked the person on the phone precisely which junction, etc the alleged contravention happened, he said he was unable to tell me as it does not say. all the pcn says is *great russell street wc1*

 

they have attached 4 images to it and also sent me further images that i requested via email, however none of these actuall show the the alleged sign which says no right turn. where it appears i have turned right.

the pcn says you can view the evidence online, however whenever i try to do this, it comes up with an error. they replied with an email saying i can call them and they will send me a cd with this evidence.

 

2 questions..

1: if the video evidence doesnt actually show the sign saying no right turn, is the pcn valid?

2: can they charge me for this copy of video evidence?

 

i have only ever driven to london twice and on this occasion, it was late, (22:47) and there seem to be signs at the end of every junction in london, for a relatively new driver, it is quite overwhelming.

 

many thanks for any help,

ash

[Brassed off]

Hi Ash and welcome to CAG

 

We have a separate forum for parking/traffic offences on CAG located here:-

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/

 

Start a new thread in there (just copy and paste you post from here into there )

 

i have only ever driven to london twice and on this occasion, it was late, (22:47) and there seem to be signs at the end of every junction in london, for a relatively new driver, it is quite overwhelming.

I've only ever driven through London once in my life and that was scarey enough

 

Good Luck

 

Regards from Bo

[ashyb]

Hi, i have recently received a pcn for the following contravention:

*failing to drive shown by the arrow on a blue sign (proceeding in the wrong direction)* in great russell street wc1

 

i subsequently rang them asking for help viewing the video evidence which is apparently available. i also asked the person on the phone precisely which junction, etc the alleged contravention happened, he said he was unable to tell me as it does not say. all the pcn says is *great russell street wc1*

 

they have attached 4 images to it and also sent me further images that i requested via email, however none of these actuall show the the alleged sign which says no right turn. where it appears i have turned right.

the pcn says you can view the evidence online, however whenever i try to do this, it comes up with an error. they replied with an email saying i can call them and they will send me a cd with this evidence.

 

2 questions..

1: if the video evidence doesnt actually show the sign saying no right turn, is the pcn valid?

2: can they charge me for this copy of video evidence?

 

i have only ever driven to london twice and on this occasion, it was late, (22:47) and there seem to be signs at the end of every junction in london, for a relatively new driver, it is quite overwhelming.

 

many thanks for any help,

ash

[ashyb]

many thanks.

new thread started here: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/164333-pcn-issued-camden-cctv.html#post1766519

[Guest Ting]

Good question about the evidence. theoretically if you challenge it then it is up to them to prove a contravention took place. Get that vid evidence. Sometimes they charge but from what you said about the failings of the website I'd be arguing about any charge. It's normally a cockle but refundable if your appeal is succesful.

 

really need to see all of the PCN please - and all the images.

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[MARTIN3030]

Merged with earlier thread.Welcome to the site.

No doubt your questions will be answered here.

[looneygooner]

Question I have just received a PCN that the alleged traffic contravention: Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign(proceeding in the wrong direction) in GREAT RUSSELL STREET WC1,when I tried to register the PCN number and registration, nothing comes up the four images I have are 1) the front side of my vehicle, 2) the side of the vehicle, 3) the back of my vehicle,4) the back end of my vehicle driving alongside a silver cab, now I know Great Russell street and can not see any sign, if the sign is hidden by a lorry for instance can I contest.

I will be driving down there tomorrow to double check but can't see how I would commit this contravention, any tips?

The thread indicated I can't seem to find any reference to this question

[NBeeee]

Asheyb and gooner. If your PCNs were 'Camden'(Ithinkso?) then see this thread

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/166695-traffic-penalty-notice-cctv-2.html

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[Spunkymonkey]

Question I have just received a PCN that the alleged traffic contravention: Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign(proceeding in the wrong direction) in GREAT RUSSELL STREET WC1,when I tried to register the PCN number and registration, nothing comes up the four images I have are 1) the front side of my vehicle, 2) the side of the vehicle, 3) the back of my vehicle,4) the back end of my vehicle driving alongside a silver cab, now I know Great Russell street and can not see any sign, if the sign is hidden by a lorry for instance can I contest.

I will be driving down there tomorrow to double check but can't see how I would commit this contravention, any tips?

The thread indicated I can't seem to find any reference to this question

 

Was there a blue arrow on the street you turned into Great Russel Street from?

 

Certainly, on the other thread, they seem to have issued the ticket as if the sign was on the street turned into when, in fact, it was on the one turned out of. If so, as you've pointed out, they're alleging an offence which is impossible to commit and you should have a good chance of challenging it - but will almost certainly have to take it past any internal appeals they offer.

[dan8]

Hi,

 

Can you tell me if you won this appeal? I've just received the same PCN for Great Russell Street WC1 and I would really appreciate your help.

 

Thanks

[zee1]

Hello,

I have received a pcn at the same location i.e. Great Russell Street WC1, junction where u are not supposed to go right which i did. Can anyone tell me wheather any one had any luck in this location at all. It all seems a bit dodgy as there are no signs saying you can not turn right and the blue arrow sign is not well lit up or very prominent either.

 

Please can anyone advice if there are any solid reasons someone can use to avoid paying PCN at this ocassion.

 

Many thanks

zee

[dan8]

I won my PCN appeal at this junction. My grounds for appeal were that I was following diversion signs posted on the roadway which directed me towards Bloomsbury Street. I argued that roadworks signs and diversion signs take precedence over the permanent signs such as the 'ahead only' white arrow on a blue sign. I also argued that the diversion signs also made the existing, permanent signage of the 'ahead only' direction very confusing to the driver. The DVD evidence also was unclear as to exactly where I had :violin:turned right. But, I also had a very sympathetic adjudicator who accepted my arguments and cancelled my PCN. Hope that helps. Good luck.

[zee1]

Thanks for replying, I'll try my luck as it looks pretty arguable stance.

 

Many thanks again

[leacho]

Hi Zee1,

 

Have you had any luck in contesting your pcn for Great Russell Street? I have exactly the same notice for turning right off Great Russell Street. It was late at night and my first time driving in London so had no clue at the time until receiving my notice. I can't even remember travelling down that road so not sure how well signposted it is etc.

 

Thanks

[zee1]

hey, i didnt have any luck im afraid and had to pay the penalty. they are really tough as they have video and photographic evidence to support them with no room for any escape.

good luck though