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    • They wont take you to court. I'm not sure what they'll do about the letters and if they will or wont send you the letters from their retail prevention company, but you can ignore those letters. You'll be just fine don't worry.
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    • This is my slightly amended WS taking on board your previous comments, any suggestions for amendments would be most appreciated.  Thank you for you time.   1.        I am the Defendant in this matter. 2.        The facts in this statement come from my personal knowledge. 3.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 4.        The alleged Letter of Claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address. 5.        The Judgement debt was not familiar to me so I began investigations to ascertain what the debt related to and how such a figure had been equated in any event. 6.        I made immediate contact with the Court, the Claimant Solicitors and the Claimants thereafter, asking them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.  7.        I sent a Data Subject access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided – See appendix 1 which details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclaycard as well as copies of correspondence between us. 8.        I do not admit to entering an agreement with Barclaycard in 2000. 9.       The claimant has failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis and therefore this claim should be automatically struck out.  10.    The claimants have failed to disclose a true executed copy of the original agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim. They are not entitled to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 12.   The reconstituted standard Barclaycard agreement that the claimant has included in the court bundle does not satisfy any CCA request and so the claimant is and remains in default of my CCA request and therefore unable to enforce the alleged agreement. 13.  The claimants have failed to provide proof the assignment, such as a deed of assignment. 14.  The claimant has failed to provide a statement of account setting out how the alleged debt accrued under that agreement 15.   Despite numerous requests to the claimant, I have still not seen any evidence, such as an original agreement or deed of assignment, that substantiates the claimant’s assertion that I owe the debt to the claimant, nor evidence of how the debt was accrued. 16.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
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There are loads of us dealing with 1st Credit, you should read a few of the threads and this may help you relax. If you do a search and put 1st Credit in this will highlight all the threads for you. If they do persist in phoning you there is the harassment letter you can send.

 

Don't let them intimidate you, GAG is here to help and support.

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Although 1st Credit will try by writing and asking you to contact them. It is up to them to provide the agreement, if they do send you one, post it up so that it can be checked to see whether its enforceable. I always acknowledge their letters by referring to the fact that until such time that an the agreement containing all the prescribed terms and conditions and is signed by debtor and creditor has been received by me no discussions will take place.

 

Just sit back and relax now.

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You will need to scan what they have sent you so that we can have a look at it, it appears to be an application form rather than an agreement. As soon as you have posted further advice will be given. Don't panic about 1st Credit they issued a stat demand on us which we challenged and won in court yesterday with costs. You just need to "chill out" basically, don't let them get to you, it is a long drawn out process so its not going to away overnight.

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I've just won a set aside against 1st Credit with costs. They sent an application form to us for an agreement. They will persue you for this but whatever you do don't speak to them on the phone and don't panic. You will need to dig your heels in though. I would write to them and thank them for the copy of the application form, however, it was a copy of the agreement that you required. Also state that if they are unable to provide a copy of the relevant agreement signed by both creditor and debtor and containing all the prescribed terms and conditions then please state so and confirm that they have put the balance at zero.

 

1st Credit are quick to issue Stat Demands but then when you challenge them they back off. They issue these hoping people don't know their rights, however, they are coming unstuck at the moment as they are losing and having to pay costs. Any mail you get will probably be their usual bog standard replies so just post and get more advice.

You will need to stay strong and remember the fact that they haven't got a signed agreement is defence in itself.

 

best wishes

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They can't take this court without a signed agreement, what they have is an application form. I think you will just continue to get the bog standard letters from them with threats, perhaps even a stat demand. Don't let them wear you down or get disheartened remember they have to provide the documents to pursue this alleged debt.

 

You can use Fuzzybobble's letter if you wish but I would certainly get an acknowledgement off to them.

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