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    • Thank you. I expect that @dx100uk will be along soon to give advice. Meanwhile, I really wonder whether the default date – as being the starting point of the six years – something which has been decided in law. It has always seemed to me to be extremely unfair. According to the limitation act, the six year period begins from the date on which the cause of action accrued. This normally means that the breach of contract occurred. Section 6 of the limitation act says that in terms of loans, the cause of action begins on the date that the debt was "demanded". Over the past two years this has come to mean the date that the default notice was issued – but I have to say I don't find that very satisfactory. If you received demands for payment before then then I don't see why section 6 shouldn't refer to that date. Did you not receive any correspondence at all in 2017/2018? What was the value of the original loan – and how much you pay off? I see that there was some kind of instalment agreement. Tell us about that. See what my colleague @dx100uk says but anyway, if I were you I would send off an SAR immediately both to the claimant and also to the original creditor. It costs you nothing. There is no downside. Get in the post straightaway with some kind of utility bill establishing your identity. You can even include a copy of the claim form as well as proof of your identity
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Without an executedcredit agreement they do not have permission to communicate any data about you to a third party. Therefore, passing your data to a DCA or CRA is unlawful under the DPA (including but not limited to schedule 1 part 1 (2) and (6) and schedule 2 (1) and (2)). Without an executed credit agreement, undser the CCA (s77(4)) they may not enforce any alledged debt and that include sending a defalt notice or placing a default with a CRA

 

 

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as to stephen 4064 post above, this is what the claim is all about, default removel. i have reapeatedly written to welcome for them to explain there objections under the law. as usual welcome refuse to answer my letters.

how can i use the court to get them to disclose this info. just that i want no nasty surprises

trial is fixed for early feb

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thanks for taking an interest in my thread stephen, ill try to be brief. have posted the letter i have received from the court. the judge was very supportive and trying to help the best way in which he could. this case is ref to two agreements i have with welcome, one a personel loan,the second vehicle finance. the judge is requesting a new poc.

the agreements are void as they are unexecuted ( perscribed terms missing ) the loan account is headed personel loan and not credit agreement, and the total ammount of credit is missing. the vehicle finance has not been signed or dated by welcome finance. there are outher issues to regarding the car. the vehicle went bang and was wrecked. the warrinty was useless. i was told if i removed the vehicle it would invalidate the warrinty. the tax run out and the vehicle was siezed by dvla. dvla contacted welcome and i have documents from dvla to confirm this. as usual welcome totally ignored dvla and the vehicle was destroyed. welcome took no responsabillity in the interests in the vehicle. then after four years accounts sold to dca. in there defence welcome state under section 65 of the cca the court can enforce the agreement, my response has been that is correct but under section 127 (3 ) if the perscribed terms are missing a court cannot enforce the agreement.

in both cases i am using wilson, acceptance fee etc included before calculating interest, and as these fees are not part of the credit they should be in a seperate colum, not included in the total charge for credit

i realy do need help in my new poc can you oblige please. i would like to keep putting notes on my thread to help any one else dealing with welcome

knowledge is power

 

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also without an executed agrement welcome cannot default me and am asking for default removal

Yes, S65 DOES say it can be enforced only by a court, BUT...

 

S127 (3) then says,

The court shall not make an enforcement order under section 65(1) if section 61(1)(a) (signing of agreements) was not complied with unless a document (whether or not in the prescribed form and complying with regulations under section 60(1)) itself containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor or hirer (whether or not in the prescribed manner).

 

In other words, if the agreement is MISSING the prescribed terms, or those terms are inaccurate (such as the interest rate being incorrectly calculated), the court shall not enforce the agreement.

 

If the prescribed terms are there, but just happen to be all over the place and not as they are supposed to be laid out, it is enforcable by a court. But not enforcable at all if any terms are missing.

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This is in contravention of The Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983. I would also like to refer to Wilson & Anr v Hurstanger Ltd [2007] EWCA Civ 299

 

 

33. In my judgment the objective of Schedule 6 is to ensure that, as an inflexible condition of enforceability, certain basic minimum terms are included which the parties (with the benefit of legal advice if necessary) and/or the court can identify within the four corners of the agreement. Those minimum provisions combined with the requirement under section 61 singlthat all the terms should be in a single document, and backed up by the provisions of section 127 (3), ensure that these core terms are expressly set out in the agreement itself: they cannot be orally agreed; they cannot be found in another document; they cannot be implied; and above all they cannot be in the slightest mis-stated. As a matter of policy, the lender is denied any room for manoeuvre in respect of them. On the other hand, they are basic provisions, and the only question for the court is whether they are, on a true construction, included in the agreement. More detailed requirements, which are designed to ensure that the debtor is made aware, so far as possible, of specified information (including information contained in the minimum terms) are to be found in Schedule 1.

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judge seemed to think it was laid out wrong long winded, he could not give to much away. outher wise happy. it was over six pages. what i need is a draft for a new poc that is sraight to the point on the points allready mentioned above

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the vehicle agreement is not signed or dated by welcome finance

also claiming welcome have not acted as a duty of care in there interests in the vehicle ref dvla

again wilson case acceptance fee included in total cost of credit etc

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personel loan account is headed personel loan agreement not credit agreement, perscribed terms, no total cost for credit

wilson case as above

i am now at the last throws of the dice with welcome, i have finally got the chance to throw off there shackles for good, that is why my new poc needs to be concreate

you dont know how much i appreciate your advice stephen many thanks

any body reading my thread, let this be a lesson to all

never,never use welcome finance at any cost

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to claify also

personel loan account is headed personel loan agreement not credit agreement, perscribed terms, no total cost for credit

wilson case as above

i am now at the last throws of the dice with welcome, i have finally got the chance to throw off there shackles for good, that is why my new poc needs to be concreate

you dont know how much i appreciate your advice stephen many thanks

any body reading my thread, let this be a lesson to all

never,never use welcome finance at any cost

I totally agree!

I am currently taking legal action against welcome too.

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on point 4 of the courts directions it states both parties to send each outher within 14 days information which they will rely on in court

as welcome have ignored all attempts from me to obtain this information so far i dont hold out much hope of them complying.

if i dont receive this paperwork within 14 days , what are my options

 

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If they have defied a court order you can ask for their defence to be struck out under CPR Part 3 Rule 3.4(2)©:

3.4 (2) The court may strike out a statement of case if it appears to the court – ...

© that there has been a failure to comply with a rule, practice direction or court order

 

 

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I Have Not Put In Yet About The Vehicle Default Notice Being Wrong, Ie 2200.500

Or The Neglect Ref Dvla About The Car That Welcome Had Need Advice On That

 

THIS IS MY LAST CHANCE TO GET THIS RIGHT BEFORE I GO INTO COURT SO I NEED PEOPLE TO PICK IT TO PIECES WITH ANY LUCK WELCOME WILL BACK DOWN AT THE LAST MINUTE

WITH REFERENCE TO MY LAST POST ABOUT WELCOME PRODUCING THERE DOCUMENTS WITHIN 14 DAYS

DO I ALLOW FOR THE CHRISTMASS HOLIDAY OR IS 14 DAYS 14 DAYS

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