Have you had a court summons from a PPC. Did the PPC show up?

[pin1onu]

There seems to be an ongoing debate on this forum as to whether the PPC's actually show up at court when faced with a "properly prepared" defense.

 

I think this question can be settled by inviting CAG members to share their experiences.

 

So can you post up

 

1. Have you had an invoice from a PPC [y/n]

2. Did you refuse to pay it [y/n]

3. Did they take you to court [y/n]

4. What was the final outcome

a) judgement for the PPC

b) judgement for the defendant including counterclaim against PPC

c) no show by the PPC (i.e. victory for defendant)

d) withdrawl of proceedings by plaintiff

e) a load of letters and then silence - no court dates

 

Let's keep a running score and see how it goes. I'll count a yes to question 2 and option a to question 4 as a "victory for the PPC and the rest as "victory" against the PPC's.

 

One thing I would ask is that you be prepared to provide proof of the above esp. if it went to court, judgement, transcripts, and court bundles.

[patdavies]

Should 4d not read withdrawal of proceedings by the PPC.

 

The defendant cannot wothdraw proceedings that they did not initiate.

 

Also, if taken to court by a PPC, I qould be counterclaiming for my time and expenses, so a no-show would be judgement in my favour - really a victory.

 

This may be a way to counter an no-show by the PPC

[DeafSteve]

UKPC v DeafSteve 3rd April 2007.

 

1. yes (using advice found here)

2. yes

3. no

4. e. I got a two letters.

 

No further contact since May 2007

[pin1onu]

Should 4d not read withdrawal of proceedings by the PPC.

 

The defendant cannot wothdraw proceedings that they did not initiate.

 

Also, if taken to court by a PPC, I qould be counterclaiming for my time and expenses, so a no-show would be judgement in my favour - really a victory.

 

This may be a way to counter an no-show by the PPC

Good points Pat. I've corrected the original post. Apologies if my posts are a bit ropey I've not slept much in the past 2 days after having a tooth removed.

[gwc1000]

1. Yes

 

2. Yes

 

3. No

 

4. e. Two letters from PPC. Three letters from "solicitors" Last one said fourteen days before Court action, that was April last year, nothing since.

[GuidoT]

I must have about 50 tickets now from 2006 to yesterday as here.

 

1. Y

2. Y

3. N

4. e) - but things are developing

[digger42]

UKPC v Digger42 (October 2007)

1. yes

2 yes

3 no

4 e) Three letters from UKPC - One from H.F.Co I even demanded they take me to court, no reply since 6th dec 2007.

[battyboomboom]

From Simon K, at OMG - PPC only gone and issued a Claim Form!!! - FightBack Forums

 

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. c) PPC failed to fill in allocation questionaire in time (OMG - PPC only gone and issued a Claim Form!!! - FightBack Forums)

 

Defendant also awaiting judgement on counter-claim.

[PROPERCHEESED]

Excellent idea. I Will keep you posted. Mine is a bit early days yet (only been going since December.) My last letter (after two threats) was only about 2 weeks ago, asking for a court date. I will give it 28 days and post here.

Maybe this should be made a sticky... If that's my understanding it's kinnda what everyone wants to know... results.. action and consequence...

 

I am not paying them a penny until I have had my day in court at which point I anticipate the judge (their majesty) will buy me a beer afterwards having found in my favour, and apologise about the fact that decent people have to waste a day turning up to defend a totaly futile claim by a bunch of decidedly shady individuals. I actually want a day in court.... it's not like I'm not used to it!!!!!

 

I AM PROPER CHEESED:mad: :mad:

[lubyloo]

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) No

4) e) received 2 letters from PPC, responded by letter. Heard nothing since my reply on 24/10/07

 

Wouldn't have done it without the help from this site. Thanks

[StormWarrior]

Maybe this will be of interest

http://www.sbcontrolledparking.co.uk/VictoryArticle.pdf

[Barnsley Boy]

Maybe this will be of interest

http://www.sbcontrolledparking.co.uk/VictoryArticle.pdf

 

This story has been done to death both here and on pepipoo. There were 3 uncontested cases which S&B "won" by virtue of the defendants not turning up. S&B similarly failed to turn up for cases which were defended. The Lancashire telegraph has subsequently printed retractions to put right inaccuracies in the original article.

[StormWarrior]

Sorry :o I'll get my coat.

 

Storm heads for the door ....

[pin1onu]

Maybe this will be of interest

http://www.sbcontrolledparking.co.uk/VictoryArticle.pdf

 

had just finished my post then saw BBs reply. So modified my post. So thats 3 non defended cases that the PPCs have won. How many of the 200 reported in the article defended. I hope it was the other 197. lol

[battyboomboom]

Remember, no other information other than that in the article has been presented to us, so no case numbers etc.

 

Which means it could even be a setup by the PPC...

[Barnsley Boy]

Sorry :o I'll get my coat.

 

Storm heads for the door ....

 

Sorry Storm,

 

Didn't mean to offend anyone, perhaps I did come across a bit strident.

 

It is just that this was paraded as a great victory by the PPC brigade at the time. It took a deal of digging by Pepipoo members, complaints to the Press Association etc to get the paper to publish the actual truth of it. Predicably the retraction was much less prominent than the original story.

[StormWarrior]

Hey Barnsley Boy no offence taken, I'll just sit in the corner weeping (joke)

 

But not as much as the PPC brigade

Is there a copy of the retraction anywhere?

[tom4rse]

1) Y

2) Y

3) Not yet - just sending second "get lost" letter to them

4) Will keep you informed

[tom4rse]

Maybe this will be of interest

http://www.sbcontrolledparking.co.uk/VictoryArticle.pdf

 

Here is a addition to the newspaper artice which is of interest:

Sb Parking Not A Test Case (from Lancashire Telegraph)

[sean the sheep]

1) Y - in September 07

2) Y

3) N

4) 2 letters received - last in October 07 & nothing since

[StormWarrior]

Thanks Tom, just what I wanted