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    • Hello, welcome to CAG. Thank you for supplying information early on, that's really helpful. People should be along to advise later but in the meantime, please don't appeal. You could end up outing the driver on the day - please don't tell us who it was - and make life more complicated. Best, HB
    • 1 Date of the infringement 02nd February 2024 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 14th May 2024 PDF scan done Redacted and Attached 3 Date received 20th May 2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Not that I can see 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes? (Photo of my car entering at 23:34 on the PCN itself, and leaving at 23:57 only visible on the appeals site, but I don't see how parking for 23 minutes is against the rules anyway?) 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] N/A 7 Who is the parking company? Met Parking Services 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Southgate Park, Stansted (346) For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. POPLA Any advice is greatly appreciated. Many thanks. redacted parking charge.pdf
    • Slow down a bit, this will be OK.   You have another three days, yes?  Hopefully people will be along to advise later. HB  
    • Thank you All, i apologise for the lack of paragraphs  i'm new and unsure how to use this and cannot convert my photos of the forms  to pdf's sorry so i really don't know what do, was very stressed with everthing going on without his happening. i don't know if i should just plead guilty  online because i'm going to run out of time and worried. There's loads of forms  but it's mainly three options to plead guili don't y i want to attend court, guilty i don't want to attend court, Not guilty. and then two options to plead to the speeding offence and failure to give information. The another page for migation and others for details like earnings etc
    • We see quite a lot of our members receive a series of "Final Notices" . WE assume that it is to put the fear of God into you but after three or four it becomes a bit of a joke . But it is up to them if they want to waste time and money sending them out it is their prerogative. Maybe they themselves don't know what to do .  They have the choices of giving up, keep writing less and less scary letters or go to Court and become a laughing stock.  Anyone with even  half a brain would know what to do. Sadly Met doesn't seem to have anyone there who quite makes the half brain criteria.
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Been trying to avoid this thread Intellectual property is one of my favourite topics.

 

Intellectual Property matters usually require specialist solicitors. It's a minefield of rules regulations and concepts.

 

Copyright protection is different from trademarks and patents.

 

Copyright starts at the conception of the work. It is automatic.

 

Trademarks and patents require evidence of the individuality. Lots of hoops to jump through some fee's to pay. Intellectual Property Office

 

Examples copyright:

Take a picture the image is mine I own the copyright.

Create a logo it's mine I own the copyright.

Create a painting, same as above.

 

A copyright can be protected (warned off) by adding the name of the owner and/or year of creation. The © character can be used.

 

In the pictures/images there lies the minefield. If you take an image/picture and alter/manipulate it substantially. The copyright on the new image belongs to you. It is now an original creation.

 

Trademarks:

You can create a logo and declare it a Trademark by adding the ™ quite legally. It's your to do that. When it is a registered Trademark the rules change. The copyright and patents office will examine the Trademark for uniqueness and originality. Make an assessment. If it passes assessment then it becomes a registered trademark and protected. ®

 

 

I don't think there much to worry about. If they are that concerned have they sent cease and desist notices to everyone else. One of the sites on the first pages of Google belongs to people I deal with and they get this problem from time to time. Usually a small company acting in ignorance.

 

1) Photographs. Your photographer took them, original works. Copyright automatically assigned. it doesn't matter if they are similar. Still classed as original work.

 

2) Wording similar. This only applies if your are Mr Kippling. "Makes exceedingly good cakes" Mr K has registered trademark for these words but only as the strap line for the box in relation to his baking venture. Anyone not selling cakes can use them as they see fit.

 

3) Colours. Some colours can be part of registered Trademarks. Coca Cola have the red as part of their trademark. Same as Mr Kippling Coca Cola can use the red with their black fizzy drink. Other drinks manufactures cannot. Everyone else can paint the world in a similar shade of red. Coca Cola mixed their own shade of red and have it patented.

 

If your colours are not the same rgb values, pantone colours, CMYK values as theirs. They are not the same. I believe there are over 200,000 shades of the same colour. Theres more than 1 black.

 

4) legal costs. What legal costs they have proven nothing.

 

5) Signed undertaking. What for?

 

I don't think the people who have sent the letter have fully understood the time and expense required to purse for copyright/trademark infringement.

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Presumably sending cease and desist notices to ANYONE using those photographs would be seen as a REQUIREMENT, and if they didn't do so, they would find it hard to justify a single instance?
Cease and desist is the copyright equivalent of a Letter Before Action. Normally it outlines the breach and what is required to remedy the breach. (default notice) and a time-scale to comply.

 

The cease and desist can be bypassed and straight to legal action. Just depends on the scale of the infringement.

 

Three main point need to be considered for Passing Off Taking Action

Reckitt & Colman Ltd v Borden Inc’ (1990)

 

I popped few of the Silver Jewellery sites open and it appears to be a standard industry practise to photograph against a white/off white back ground. Most of them have the words silver or Jewellery in the name. Several sites using the same page template for layout. Yet each was was distinctly different.

 

Passing Off requires that the visitor is fooled into believing they are elsewhere.

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Thanks louiboy - so the Cease and Desist letter should be sent to any website using the images, that the claimant knows about?
In theory yes. The claimant should be sending Cease and desist letters to any company/website that they feel are infringing their copyright/IP. Why single out 1 when they all use similar images.

 

I suspect your friend may be singled out for special treatment. Do they live/trade within a reasonable distance of the claimant. Otherwise, how are they effecting the claimants business?

 

The other jewellery website was based within 20 miles of a local store that took offence that their customers used the shop to view jewellery and then bought online.

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Give em a bit of a rattling. Should encourage they to be more careful the next time.

 

I think this could turn out a good thing for your friend. Most peope are not aware of copyright and IP until it's to late. When it's to late it can be expensive.

 

The strongest route/defence for copyright/IP infringement is a Limited Company with a registered trademark.

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Perhaps they will have more luck suing the Argoose Catalogue. It's full of similar pictures. :p

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