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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Im in the middle of reclaiming over 9k in charges and today is the final day the Abbey have to file a defence.

 

Does anyone know what time will be the cut off or if the abbey on certain occasions just blame it on staff shortage etc??

 

Im just wondering if I might have a little luck and win by default?!!

 

Thanks in advance a very nervous Vicky

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Fingers crossed. In fact fingers and toes crossed for you because I've got a very similar claim with a deadline for defence on 28th March.

 

 

Having read other threads though, I think the courts have been lenient with them in the past so don't rush down to file judgement for a few days, but it's looking good so far:)

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Thanks all! lets just hope they "forget" or whatever it is they blame it on as this money will clear every debt under my name! Nicew new start is in sight!

 

 

Will keep posting thanks again

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good luck,

 

It will be interesting to see what happens please keep us informed

 

 

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I suspect (sorry!!) that when/if you enter judgment against them they will request a stay and it will be allowed.

 

Hi ladybird,

 

Thanks for the advice, and please excuse my stupid question but what is a stay and how does it affect my judgement??

 

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Having read other threads though, I think the courts have been lenient with them in the past so don't rush down to file judgement for a few days, but it's looking good so far

 

From what I read I also agree with Charleyfarley on this one, guess it depends on the court, have you phoned them and asked?

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From what I read I also agree with Charleyfarley on this one, guess it depends on the court, have you phoned them and asked?

 

Not yet was going to leave it till 3 just to see if the post brought their defence if they filed one as i was told the court would send it to me.

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Fingers crossed. In fact fingers and toes crossed for you because I've got a very similar claim with a deadline for defence on 28th March.

 

 

Having read other threads though, I think the courts have been lenient with them in the past so don't rush down to file judgement for a few days, but it's looking good so far:)

 

My deadline is the 26th March, so I'll be very interested to see what happens. Unfortunately, tho, as Charleyfarley says, they'll probably be given extra time. Hardly seems fair, does it? Silly me! We're talking about banks here; where does fairness come into it?!! :mad:

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I THINK - but not sure,it has to be filed by 4pm?? Somebody correct me if I'm wong (which I'm sure they will:wink: )

 

 

That's right............close of the business day for the court

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Just called the court and have been told that there has been no defence filed and that i now need to request the judgement from the court.

 

Should I give it a couple of days or be outside my county court at 9am tomorrow!!!!

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IMHO I'd go for it sooner rather than later!!But PLEASE bear in mind what's been said about a stay before you spend it all in advance!

 

Thanks for the advice! Think Ill file tomorrow - its not as if the bank would be too nice to me if the boot was on the other foot!

 

Has anyone got any top tips regarding the Stay and is it worth requesting it to be taken off if it goes that far? I dont want to hinder the whole process but could do without a long waiting game??!

 

Once again thanks to all for the advice.

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Don't jump that bridge - you haven't come to it.

 

Just bear in mind that it is sometimes advantageous for the judge to do this - a stay will normally start with something like

"in order for the parties to come to a settlement".

 

Now that means the judge is expecting them to make some attempt at settlement - the timescales on this site are fair and reasonable - so YOU have done everything you can to attempt settlement.

 

If - and this is a very big IF - they pursue to court and turn up at the hearing having made no attempt to settle, hopefully, the judge will recognise their abuse of the court system, and suss that they only requested the stay as they hadn't bothered to file an original defence in the allotted time.

So could work in your favour. I know it's difficult & frustrating to play the waiting game, but everything come to those who wait.......apparently:wink:

 

 

 

 

 

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Ladybird,

 

Great advice thanks, didnt really understand the whole stay thing but you've explained it greatly.

 

Ill let you know what happens!

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Hi all,

 

Just a quick update for all those watching!

 

Spoke to the clerk of the court last thing yesterday who said that nothing had been received from the Abbey. She has told me to go and file this morning and they are given 28 days to reply just like anyone else. She has stated that the Judge will not issue a stay even if one is requested as the Abbey has had plenty of time to settle.

 

So needless to say im requesting a judgement at 9am!!!

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Also can anyone tell me if it is worth writing to the Abbey to offer the settlement for the full amount now or wait for the 28 days to expire??

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IMHO I would leave it at least a couple of weeks untl you contact them - others may think differently - but if you alert them to the judgment from day 1 - they will have plenty of time to request a stay and file defence. If you leave it until the last minute...they won't!

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