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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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I contacted a freight forwarding agent(FFA) to ship a car oversea. But on booking the car at Port, I noticed car is not road worthy, I bought said car in the evening so I didn't observe its true condition.

So next day after booking I ring seller requesting for full refund, he accepted. I then ring FFA to cancel booking, he hesitated, I then ring shipping company, Grimaldi directly they said I could cancel it as my request is early and ship will depart in about 12 days. I ring back FFA and insisted he said ok but did nothing.

After a couple of days I rang FFA repeatedly he neither answered nor return my calls. The following week I rang his office tel, he answered and said my cargo was mistakenly shipped by Grimaldi, which was all lies.

When I refuse to pay shipping cost, company withheld Bill of lading so that I risk losing my wife belongings inside the booth of the car; my wife complained, so I was compelled to pay for shipping a car I didn't like/want; pay clearing cost at the other end, demurrage, etc amounting to about £2000. And on top of that the car would need so much work done such as new dashboard, tyres, gearbox, handbrake repaired, body work, paints, etc which will cost me a fortune!

I have sent text messages, emails and 3 letters to this company but no reply.

I will appreciate with thanks any advice or suggestion.

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Not an area I suspect many here have experience of but doesnt sound like the company is giving you much chanmce to do anything other than start legal action.

 

You will need to check you have all the required documentation and correspondence and the T&C's, do they allow you to cancel bookings, etc.

 

Next step would be to send a NBA.

 

Why were your wifes belongings in the car ?, from my reading it was a car you had just bought ?

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Not an area I suspect many here have experience of but doesnt sound like the company is giving you much chanmce to do anything other than start legal action.

 


You will need to check you have all the required documentation and correspondence and the T&C's, do they allow you to cancel bookings, etc.


 


Next step would be to send a NBA.


 


Why were your wifes belongings in the car ?, from my reading it was a car you had just bought ?


 



Hi Andydd, thanks for you reply. I put my wife belongings inside the car by myself after I bought car from seller. It's cost saving measure for us. Shipping company and ports authority allow this so far as it's personal stuffs, but they must inspect the stuff before booking, to ensure it's legal, and not items banned for sea export.
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I have all documents but none mentioned cancellation of booking: do you think this will let down my case?

 

I would of thought there would be huge long T&C's dealing with cancellations, etc..There normally are for deliver/courier companies. The fact that it appears that no-one specifically said you cant cancell and that they admitted car was sent by 'mistake' would surely help.

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Hi All,

 

I'm now confused at Jurisdiction of court to hear this claim. I live in Scotland and freight forwarder agent is based in London. Court clerk in Edinburgh said it should be raised in London whilst the one in Aberdeen said I raise claim in Aberdeen sheriff court Scotland. I'll highly appreciate any advice on this please?

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Im certainly no expert in this area but i woukd have thought that if the FFA is based in london, then any shipping contract would be governed by the laws if England and wales. My money would be on issuing any claim in an english court rather than a scottish court.

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Im certainly no expert in this area but i woukd have thought that if the FFA is based in london, then any shipping contract would be governed by the laws if England and wales. My money would be on issuing any claim in an english court rather than a scottish court.

 

hi Martin2006, it's not this thread; I've forgotten about this matter......I don't know the legal time frame to bring action against this comany.......it's about 2 years old, I don't think I can still sue this company

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It sounds like the basis of your case is that you instructed them by telephone to cancel the shipment, but they failed to do so?

 

If I've understood correctly, I think it will be difficult to bring a claim based on a telephone conversation that took place 2 years ago. Do you have any supporting evidence from the time (such as emails) confirming your instruction to cancel the shipment?

 

I'm now confused at Jurisdiction of court to hear this claim. I live in Scotland and freight forwarder agent is based in London. Court clerk in Edinburgh said it should be raised in London whilst the one in Aberdeen said I raise claim in Aberdeen sheriff court Scotland. I'll highly appreciate any advice on this please?

You could sue them in London as that is where they are based. The rules on jurisdiction allow you to sue them in Scotland if you prefer, assuming you were dealing as a consumer rather than a business.

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It sounds like the basis of your case is that you instructed them by telephone to cancel the shipment, but they failed to do so?

 

If I've understood correctly, I think it will be difficult to bring a claim based on a telephone conversation that took place 2 years ago. Do you have any supporting evidence from the time (such as emails) confirming your instruction to cancel the shipment?

 

 

You could sue them in London as that is where they are based. The rules on jurisdiction allow you to sue them in Scotland if you prefer, assuming you were dealing as a consumer rather than a business.

 

 

 

thanks steampowered, I've text message confirming cancellation instructions. I'm now based in England myself.....so think I'll take England court option

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