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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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I see other people are having problems with these people.

 

My iphone 4 8GB arrived to cash4phones on 29/8/13, had a good offer and got sucked in.

 

Testing failed on 29/8/13 due to excessive wear and tear!

 

Counter offer of £48.88 which I accepted,

 

Payment they say was processed on 2/9/13 but been constantly emailing them through their contact form

where first I was told it would take 5-7 days,

 

I chased them after 10 days with a response there was a technical issue and would get a payment in the next 5-7 days.

 

Still no payment

 

got another message saying I would be paid at the end of the week (2 weeks ago),

 

have now contacted them again by the form saying I have had enough and expect payment in my account or I will go further.

 

I see so many people have been having nightmares with this company and wondered if there was any help I could get please.

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Hi and welcome to CAG. Sorry you were missed.

 

I would suggest you write a letter, posted by trackable means (signed for delivery) with a formal complaint. Demand the cash or a return of the phone.

 

Send to:

 

C4P TRADING LIMITED

UNIT 15 GATEWAY MEWS

RINGWAY

LONDON

N11 2UT

 

 

Some companies prey on the customers lack of knowledge when sending goods to them and the initial offer is good but suddenly the offer drops to a stupid amount but when you ask for the goods back, they make a 'slightly' higher offer then when you agree, they will sell the phone for a significantly higher price, boosting their profits at your expense. I am not saying C4P do this but it is rife in this 'recycling' industry. You just have to search 'cash 4 gold' discussions to see what I mean.

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Hi Miller83

I am in exactly the same boat as you and would appreciate any help as you are going through the same they received my phone on 13th sept 2013, obviously i had 'moderate wear and tear' like everyone else it seems but i accepted the lower offer, and it was processed on 21st sept 2013 was told in the original email it would take 3-5 days but at busier times please allow 7-10 WORKING days which I waited the 10 WORKING days and contacted them, to which I had a reply saying I have to wait 14 working days. I waited the 14 Working days and emailed them again to which I got a reply saying they have had severe technical difficulties which have now been resolved in the accounts department and be assured my payment will be in my account 'shortly' this was on 10/10/13. I waited again and sent another inquiry asking where my payment was to which i got the same standard reply of technical problems this time with a telephone number that I was welcome to phone of 0845 460 1064 (mon to fri 9am - 6pm) this was received on 16/10/13. Yesterday (21/10/13)I firstly tried phoning to which I got no answer and after 10 mins I hung up and then again 20 mins today (22/10/13) still no answer. Yesterday I also sent another inquiry stating I did not want an email back saying my payment will be with me 'shortly' I wanted someone to phone me with regards to this, and they completely disregarded what I had said and i got the bog standard reply of basically my payment will be with me SHORTLY aaaagggghhhhh. at this point I googled it and came across the consumer website with a list as long as my arm of complaints about this company. So please any help you can give me will be much appreciated

 

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Hiya just to keep you updated I did send them a letter detailing everything and saying I will be taking legal action I had an email back saying my money would be transferred with 48 hours and it was

hope you have had success too

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my daughter in same boat she has not been paid for her phone .trading standards have taken up her case and may even be involving police as obtaining goods by deception is fraud they have no intention of paying for these goods just a bunch of con men

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I sent my iphone 3 months ago, they received it and sent me an email confirmation saying pending payment.

I have been emailing them many times within the past 2 months, they did not reply at all.

 

I only just found out about this cash4phone [problem], it looks like I am wasting my time trying to chase them for payment.

 

Their email confirmed pending payment of £130. I am in the same boot as you guys, whats best to do next?

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I sent them my phone in september, and accepted the offer which was £45.76. They told me that they sent the money, after waiting a month i sent them an email saying that i didn't receive the money, and they replied saying to wait 7-14 days. i waited like 3 weeks and i sent them another email, which they didn't reply to, and now i can't even go on their website.

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