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    • Please read the following thread very carefully. It is extremely relevant where you are suing Evri on the basis of a contract which you originally made with Packlink who are domiciled in Spain. A judgement has been obtained and we have applied for transcript and it will be put up on this thread as soon as we receive it probably about the end of July. In the meanwhile, read this thread, see what has been discovered about the Packlink/Evri/customer relationship and look at the witness statement very carefully. It's a long thread but don't give up. Once you have the transcript of the judgement, then I will do a more careful and explanatory post here   https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/459707-evri-lost-my-ebay-parcel-£844-court-claim-issued-judgment/
    • So if the breach occurred say Dec 2017 (first missed payment) and the default notice was issued Sept 2018 and the claim was issued 7th June 24 the claimant will of course be arguing it is within the limitation period (by 3 months)
    • Yep, I would  have brought up the other things like asking for their contract and receiving no response etc. but the mediation phone calls were rather short. Evri just said the contract was not with them (i said 1999 act response etc.) and the goodwill offer thing. Whole process took about 10 minutes in total. Seems like they don't even want to negotate in mediations anymore. "they're only given a certain amount that they can agree to in mediation per day" I mean its hard for me to say if thats the mediator paraphrasing or aa direct quote from evri I will look through that thread and share what I find, also for what its worth I also have everything I made for the previous claim WS and bundles etc. that I can tweak for this parcel, since it did go almost all the way to court and is a virtually identical case. that + this new stuff you shared above should be helpful to me
    • If I haven't referred to it before then please check out this thread another case where the claimant contracted directly with Packlink for a courier delivery service carried out by Evri. Please read this thread very carefully and eventually you will get to a point where the claimant – our OP – discovered some interesting terms and conditions and has referred to them in his case. He incorporated these into his witness statement and was given judgement – not on the basis of rights of third parties but on the basis of direct responsibility. I would suggest that use the witness statement as a model although we will want to see it before you file it off. When you find the particular post with the witness statement, please can you post a link to it here as well as a copy of the witness statement because I don't have the time to look for it at the moment and the thread is rather long. However it is very important to you and you should go through it very carefully indeed. We have applied for a transcript of the judgement and hopefully it will be along in six weeks or so. As soon as we receive it we will make it available on this sub- forum.
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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Hi Dodgeball, Oh I'm clear and I understand your point of view, although, I don't agree with it. Just to make it clear for you, IsItMe's friend, IsItMe, Apple and all other the posters that have contributed to this thread, that have had the borrowers best interests at heart, have not lost sight of what is being discussed here...BP

 

They (is it me?'s friend, it would appear has never actually posted in this thread, unless they have never identified themselves as his friend and Is It me? only ever posts to agree with something apple has said or to demand answers to his questions) might have the borrowers best interests at heart but by misinterpreting the law - they are not helping anyone

 

I like to think that you also refer to me(being one of the other posters that have contributed to this thread) as having the borrowers best interests at heart, in my long running battle with Apple to post the truth about the law instead of interpretations and fanciful ideas as, has been shown today

 

Besides which, I feel DB has shown an indepth understanding of this thread and the topics that have been discussed

 

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I have the best interest of borrowers at heart as I am sure does Ben and the other contributors to this thread.

 

It is not in the best interest of anyone to make argument in court that cannot succeed, it will just incur more costs and create further misery.

 

It is very nice to think that there is a magic pill that will make all our debts and problems go away, and forums like this a breading grounds for half baked ideas like this one.

Usually they are harmless however sometimes people take them seriously and act on them.

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Sadly , and I am not pointing any fingers, not all posters do have the consumers best interest at heart. What they have is a desperate need to be right and to be respected

 

As the saying goes.......Truth will out:lol:

 

I for one eagerly await . At that point someone will have some serious egg on their face . From past experience I have a pretty good idea who it will be which will be ashame .

 

Dodge/Ben when it is all done and dusted I am sure you will be able to explain it to me in words of one syllable

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They (is it me?'s friend, it would appear has never actually posted in this thread, unless they have never identified themselves as his friend) might have the borrowers best interests at heart but by misinterpreting the law - they are not helping anyone

 

Besides which, I feel DB has shown an indepth understanding of this thread and the topics that have been discussed

 

Hi Ben, Interpretation is available to us all, and that fundimental right, as we should expect, will also be excerised by the Judges at the Property Chamber...BP

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I agree we will have to wait for the chamber's decision. There has been 262 pages of discussion - its clear not everyone is going to agree.

 

 

Any word on when a decision is likely? Are the various cases being heard together?

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I agree we will have to wait for the chamber's decision. There has been 262 pages of discussion - its clear not everyone is going to agree.

 

 

Any word on when a decision is likely? Are the various cases being heard together?

 

We should know about the first cases on the 20th Jan. I would imagine that these decisions will then (potentially) be applied to the other cases that are in the pipeline.

 

Well that's my understanding anyway.

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The Property Chamber say a written decision will most likely be issued after 20 Feb 2014 - Is It Me? says that the case has been stayed for 28 days for the lender to provide some unidentified documentation - so we will have to wait and see - however, I do agree with the notion that is best to just wait now until the Property Chambers written decision is issued - to finally conclude matters one way or the other.

 

It is only going to be another 9 or so days, so I think I will wait until then

 

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I am sure it will be posted as soon as poss. I just hope we get the same interpretation on the outcome.

I imagine if it is a consumer win it will be appealed, not sure what will happen if its a consumer loss

 

I have seen three interpretations to the frost case

1) The judge was a drunken fool (not my opinion)

2) That is the end of no agreement means no enforcement

3) the witnesses were so unreliable the judge didn't really have an option

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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I for one eagerly await . At that point someone will have some serious egg on their face . From past experience I have a pretty good idea who it will be which will be ashame .

 

I have soap and water on stand by, just in case it is me :-)

 

(hope this is not classed as beer garden talk)

 

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I am sure it will be posted as soon as poss. I just hope we get the same interpretation on the outcome.

 

I am hoping that it will be posted without any interpretation - allowing everyone to read it for themselves and form their own views before interpretations start. (I can but hope)

 

may be just a few relevant extracts will be posted to highlight some of the aspects of the decision made

 

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The Property Chamber say a written decision will most likely be issued after 20 Feb 2014 - Is It Me? says that the case has been stayed for 28 days for the lender to provide some unidentified documentation - so we will have to wait and see - however, I do agree with the notion that is best to just wait now until the Property Chambers written decision is issued - to finally conclude matters one way or the other.

 

It is only going to be another 9 or so days, so I think I will wait until then

 

Just called and spoken with the Property Chamber and they say the decision for the case references they previously gave me, is still expected after 20 Feb - It will then take a few days to appear on their website - So hopefully by the end of the month / early next month - we will know what the Property Chamber has to say on this issue, once and for all.

 

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Hi Ben, Interpretation is available to us all, and that fundimental right, as we should expect, will also be excerised by the Judges at the Property Chamber...BP

 

I think that when we do it, it is interpretation when judges do it , it is the Law :)

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If the consumer wins - what do they expect the outcome to do for them - are they expecting the money they borrowed to buy their home to be written off ?

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If the consumer wins - what do they expect the outcome to do for them - are they expecting the money they borrowed to buy their home to be written off ?

 

From some of the posts that would appear to be the case, there are some posts also about any payments already made also being refunded etc

 

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I'm not sure that they will - that's a different entity altogether.

 

 

So what is it that they expect a win to do for them ?

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As a matter of interst

If this were an agreement regulated under the Consumer credit act(which it isn't) section 106 has a feature where the sums borrowed on an invalid security have to be returned.

 

However before anyone gets to excited this does not apply to registered charges ala LOPA, these are exempted form the provision via section 117.

 

I would have to do more research but I have a feeling that the contractual element of the registered charge would still be in effect even if the deed was proven to be void. The lender would just have to recover it in the same way as he would a conventional charge (without a transfer of property rights).

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Perhaps Applecart could explain - I'm really interested to know

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I thought originally it was to keep them in their home . If they can not pay the mortgage that must be unsustainable so the only option would be for them to have the whole loan declared void effectively gifting them the house. That is why I can not see it happening or if it does it will be appealed all the way

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I thought originally it was to keep them in their home . If they can not pay the mortgage that must be unsustainable so the only option would be for them to have the whole loan declared void effectively gifting them the house. That is why I can not see it happening or if it does it will be appealed all the way

 

Why would it make the loan aspect void?

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I thought originally it was to keep them in their home . If they can not pay the mortgage that must be unsustainable so the only option would be for them to have the whole loan declared void effectively gifting them the house. That is why I can not see it happening or if it does it will be appealed all the way

 

It gets confusing when you read back the thread

 

Who said he would lose his home just so you know and can tell you bosses there are funds in place to pay the lender off if need be but the lender has to prove they are the ones that own the mortgage and after 4 court orders have FAILED to do so

It's funny that after all this time when asked to stop posting you would not but kept on trying to put people off but you could not so NOW you are leaving well done

See you at the property chamber Ben

 

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Only in that it seems pointless in going through all this to keep your home when you then face say a SD and lose your home anyway. I wasn't giving any sort of opinion just common sense.

 

I don't know but I also imagine there will be costs involved as well so it seems to me it might well be a lose lose situation.

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