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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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OK today I have finally received all the statements (in dribs and drabs) that I requested, and it has only taken 16 weeks! WOW! - NOT!!!

 

Anyways, onto stage 2....

I am now preparing my preliminary letter and calculating total amount to claim using the Scottish spreadsheet :)

Just a quick question about interest charges though plese, i am still a little confused.

I understand that the judicial interest set at 8% is NOT included in my calculation at this stage, however, on my bank statements, there are periodical charges recorded as "interest charges as notified last month" - do i include these charges in the calculation on my spreadsheet? and also, there is a field on the spreadsheet which lets you select your own percentage rate. What should this be set to? What is the recommended value? I dont quite understand this part.

Thanks in advance :)

 

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Ok, the interest on your statement is overdraft interest which is claimable but only if it has been charges that took you into that overdraft in the first place. Otherwise no you can't claim this. The interest field on the spreadsheet should be 8% as it should be. Hope this helps. Good Luck. Oh and no you don't send in the 8% at this point, only the court stage.

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Thank you for clearing that up for me :)

Im just gonna leave the overdraft interest out of my calculation as im not sure which ones qualify and which dont. Its only a few quid anyway.

OK so preliminary letter and spreadsheet on its way tomorrow then.

Here we go :D

 

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There's two distinct lots of interest applicable here and you need to get them straight in your mind first.

 

When you had a charge deducted from your account this lowered your bank balance. Over time the accumulated total of these charges may have driven your account into overdraft, and maybe past your limit. The bank usually charges you interest on the overdraft balance. Some of the interest paid could be due to genuine use of your overdraft, but over time the accumulation of charges will mean that the proportion that is due to charges will be greater, even up to the whole amount. There is a spreadsheet available (see my sig below) that will work out how much of the interest they have charged you is down to the charges. Note that it's the complex version that is required to do this calculation. This interest on charges IS reclaimable as part of your initial claim.

 

When your claim gets to the stage when you have to issue a summons for repayment of the monies owed you are entitled under Section 69 of the County Courts Act to add interest at 8% to the amounts you are claiming. The spreadsheet will also calculate this amount.

 

In your initial claim ask for the charges back, plus the calculated interest on those charges. Only when you raise your court paperwork can you claim the extra 8%.

 

The rate on the spreadsheet is not used to calculate interest on charges as this is done by reference to the interest paid and the accumulated charges by the date of the interest debit.

 

There is a further option of contractual interest in place of the 8% s69 statutory interest. With this method you can't claim 8% at Moneyclaim stage at all, but you claim for the contractual unauthorised rate from the beginning. This is where you would alter the 8% rate in the third page of the sheet to get the amount calculated. Check the current rates advertised for the rate to use.

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OK so today i received a letter from HBOS, offering £84 as full and final settlement. LOL. What a cheek.

I believe i can accept this as a partial payment and continue to claim for the remainder.

How do i do this? or should i just decline the offer and continue as before?

The letter has a form attached saying "....I confirm that I accept the offer of £84.00 from Halifax in full and final settlement...."

Should I simply ammend the wording so that "full and final" becomes "inital and partial" or should I write a seperate letter?

Incidentally, tomorrow will be 14 days since HBOS received my initial letter.

So basically im confused as to whether i should send a letter tomorrow accepting £84 as partial settlement? or if i should ignore it all together and continue by sending my LBA?

Help please :)

Thanks

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