Will i suceed in Employment Tribunal?

[ms_smith]

in some documents from that company was found one document that was signed instead of me by that supervisor, is this fact important? for the case?

 

TBH, it is annoying to read such a question...

 

Of! Course! It! Is!

 

If I were you, I think I would resign and rushed to the court.

Or you can stay and allow them to tell you: "you have been warned..." or allow them to create other 'creative' documents...

 

Your (or any other) employer/supervisor, manager has not got the right to sign anything instead of you. Otherwise, the mutual trust and confidence implied in every contract is being broken.

I would feel such at least...

I think you can prove it anyway.

I could, at least, with my determination...

Edited November 8, 2010 by ms_smith

[honeybee13]

Hello Ms Smith, how is your tribunal going?

 

It would be only fair to warn Isvet what her chances of winning would be. If you're talking about constructive dismissal, everyone here says that only 3% of claimants win. Maybe you mean some other type of case?

 

My best, HB

[ms_smith]

Hello Ms Smith, how is your tribunal going?

 

It would be only fair to warn Isvet what her chances of winning would be. If you're talking about constructive dismissal, everyone here says that only 3% of claimants win. Maybe you mean some other type of case?

 

My best, HB

 

Hey honeybee! How ya doing? Good to hear from you!

 

Me - fine, the case as well. Finish - next year, in February.

I am doing this mainly to clear my name as the make-me-mental campaign messages they have been defaming me with since ever are horrendous...

Recently commented privately on a judgement from a county court and gave counter-arguments. A few days later an appeal county court judgement was published - guess what? Exactly the same as mine, though the case initially seemed hopeless to many... One doesn't always have to be a lawyer to comment on people's issues as law is all about people's feelings and behaviours, isn't it?

Conclusion? Birds of a feather... This gives me the most strength, I guess...

I know what I am doing...

 

(isvet, constr. dismissal)

Well, if my supervisor would not be afraid to fabricate both document and my signature, what he/she would be able to do next? Accuse me of a theft and call the police, for example.

As isvet knows about that forgery, an action should be made. Because staying and not doing anything is accepting the situation.

I would be damn scared to work with such a supervisor, honestly. He/she gave the flavour of what she/he can do and trust me, she/he will do sth baaad again. It is just a matter of time.

 

I know that constr. dismissal claims are said to be difficult to win but employees should sometimes listen to their inner selves and ask themselves if they are able to bear any more of the detrimental treatment or not... The truth also seems to be the most important factor as it is the only way a person may sound genuine. I at least believe in the power of truth...

 

From what I read so far, isvet complained already about some incidents and the employer took some steps to prevent any more to happen. But the behaviour of that harasser didn't stop. I am not saying isvet should do it because I say now I would do it, but I think I would write a letter of resignation clearly stating what makes me resign.

Yes yes, other option is to complain again, about the forgery this time, but doesn't it give time to the harasser to 'come up with' sth new?

I may be wrong. You are more than welcome to correct me, guys.

Edited November 8, 2010 by ms_smith

[BlurredFX]

Isvet,

 

I have followed your case, and I am one of the alleged 3% who managed to win a "constructive dismissal" case - and that was when I presented the company with enough EVIDENCE - actual print outs of emails, times and dates of conversations, all kinds - it took me 6 months to prove it - and they paid up before I went to the Tribunal - though this is over two years ago.

 

In your case, you have been treaded badly (from what you say, and I believe you), and have since been moved and are now happy at work! The problems have gone, and your name is clear. I wish i had a job to be unhappy about right now.

 

I don't see where you are going with it. Fine, ok, there may be a fabricated document - what are you trying to prove? That you had a swine of a manager - so what - they addressed your grievance and sorted the problem.

 

I do not understand what you wish to achieve nor how you wish to achieve it.

 

Please correct me, I love open discussion!! That's why I am here!

 

FX

[ms_smith]

Isvet,

 

I have followed your case, and I am one of the alleged 3% who managed to win a "constructive dismissal" case - and that was when I presented the company with enough EVIDENCE - actual print outs of emails, times and dates of conversations, all kinds - it took me 6 months to prove it - and they paid up before I went to the Tribunal - though this is over two years ago.

 

In your case, you have been treaded badly (from what you say, and I believe you), and have since been moved and are now happy at work! The problems have gone, and your name is clear. I wish i had a job to be unhappy about right now.

 

I don't see where you are going with it. Fine, ok, there may be a fabricated document - what are you trying to prove? That you had a swine of a manager - so what - they addressed your grievance and sorted the problem.

 

I do not understand what you wish to achieve nor how you wish to achieve it.

 

Please correct me, I love open discussion!! That's why I am here!

 

FX

 

Congrats on your case, Blurred FX.

 

As for isvet's, not everything is FINE - having received isvet's grievance, they "covered issues of discrimination". That's very bad already and from the legal point of view.

They moved isvet to another department. Harassment continues with such extremes as forgery of an employee's signature.

I say a case is being built against isvet...

[BlurredFX]

Isvet,

 

Have you submitted an ET1 yet?

 

FX:-)

[isvet]

Congrats on your case, Blurred FX.

 

As for isvet's, not everything is FINE - having received isvet's grievance, they "covered issues of discrimination". That's very bad already and from the legal point of view.

They moved isvet to another department. Harassment continues with such extremes as forgery of an employee's signature.

I say a case is being built against isvet...

 

A case is being build against me?????

Do you understand what you are saying? I submited ET1 form, the date for 4 day hearing is set already. We will see the outcome of it all.

So you mean that 5 and a hlaf years of harrasment goes in the bin???

Give me an answer in the first place why that happened and why? the manager is clear without any warning? why his racism is backed up by HR?????

LOL the case is against me? Do not try to frighten me, i am not scared of your comments at all. My Solicitor told me the case is mine, and the company is in troubles for a lot of things they did.

[ms_smith]

A case is being build against me?????

Do you understand what you are saying? I submited ET1 form, the date for 4 day hearing is set already. We will see the outcome of it all.

So you mean that 5 and a hlaf years of harrasment goes in the bin???

Give me an answer in the first place why that happened and why? the manager is clear without any warning? why his racism is backed up by HR?????

LOL the case is against me? Do not try to frighten me, i am not scared of your comments at all. My Solicitor told me the case is mine, and the company is in troubles for a lot of things they did.

 

Calm down first of all, I am not trying to frighten you, it is just a form of expression, I am trying to prepare you for the possible worst from your employer. You may find it surprising or even shocking what kind of stories they will be saying about you during the hearing.

I am not surprised at all that your manager is clear without any warning. Mine was promoted following the outcome of the investigation!

Well, not really promoted, the company was just making structural changes and she was given 3 times or so as much same work as before at the price of a new, spanky job title. But yeah, she was "promoted", hahaha!

 

Good luck!!!

Edited November 9, 2010 by ms_smith

[isvet]

Sorry for my probably over reaction, but really i do understand they will try to lie, whatever, they have no chance if they will lie they will be down even lower, there is no way they can make it, my case, my claim. I will tell all there, everything. They will not be able remake my story, they did many mistakes, their ET3 is complete lie, their responses are not logic and in some moments confront with their previous respoinses, they crated a mess, and i am fine( i think so) - I will let you know, people what was the end of it, will provide you links and so on, you will know my real story, some things to protect my identity were not provided here, but you will be shocked what i have been through there.

I will tell the way it was, let Tribunal decide who is wrong.

[ms_smith]

Are you having any witnesses who already agreed to come to the hearing and confirm certain details to support your case?

[isvet]

Are you having any witnesses who already agreed to come to the hearing and confirm certain details to support your case?

 

There are 6 people who will go there to speak out against that environment, and another 3 are willing to go also, but 6 is enough.Many people experienced that things there, prejudice,racism,discrimination etc, but everything is covered, no one can get through, there is only one way there - they get rid of everyone as soon as you speak out, it just matter of time, they catch you doing wrong or mislead you and catch you, than you are out. That company is a hell of a place which deserves to get through ET for everyones benefits.

[ms_smith]

Are you saying your solicitor spoke to those 9 people and they all agreed to give evidence in court? Or you mean 9 people have witnessed certain comments/events and should serve as the witnesses? That is a bit of a difference...

[isvet]

Are you saying your solicitor spoke to those 9 people and they all agreed to give evidence in court? Or you mean 9 people have witnessed certain comments/events and should serve as the witnesses? That is a bit of a difference...

 

Solicitor spoke with 6, and they go in court, another 3 witnessed minor events and decision were not to take them because 6 is enough.

[stuart_coogh]

your case would be for discrimation/racial for the employment tribunal, what has your employment solicictor suggested, do you have home insurance cover - that way you wont have to pay, or find a no win no fee employment solicitor who can help you, lots of luck

[honeybee13]

Hello Stuart. This thread is quite old, you may not hear from isvet who hasn't been seen here for a while.

 

My best, HB

[stuart_coogh]

hello honey, how did she get on with all this do you know the result?

[honeybee13]

hello honey, how did she get on with all this do you know the result?

 

Hello again. No I don't, if people don't post back here then we don't know what happened. It can be difficult both for the people who try to advise and for future caggers who would like to know the result.

 

My best, HB