Council Tax not Lawful?

[gwc1000]

gynet wrote:

 

our bith certificates are traded on the stock market as GOV assets which goes in to our own fund ( red number on back of cert is account number)

 

 

This always makes me chuckle. The elusive birth certificate bond.

This idea was concocted by Roger Elvick in America thirty or so years ago and these wacky FOTL lap it up believing their gurus without question.

But FOTL never consider why would anybody invest millions in a birth certificate? What is in it for the investor? The amount of money most people give to the government in taxes during their lifetime would be less than the mythical amount invested in their bonds. A negative return for the investor. But the FOTL believe if they can find the "magic spell" they can access their bonds and the millions within. What is amusing is that people like Winston Shrout charge hundreds of dollars for a seminar where he will divulge the secrets of how to access your own bond, but he has never done it himself. Incidentally Shrout does not accept A4V as payment for his seminars. He only accepts money.

FOTL appears to attract gullible people who are in a vulnerable position and are looking for a way to relieve their problems. They watch a few videos on youtube or attend a John Harris talk and are brainwashed into believing their knowledge of law is superior to the law professionals. They recite definitions from Black's law dictionary as an authority. But what they fail to recognise is that (such as in in the case of "statute") the definition they quote does not even appear in Black's, they fail to recognise that Black's is an American legal dictionary, but more importantly they don't understand that a legal dictionary is just a dictionary. It is not a legal authority that is binding.

[gwc1000]

Ahh...someone who really seems to have a handle on the Freeman thing - how come you're so clued up, gwc1000?

Hi.

For the last eighteen months I have taken an active interest in the FOTL and have got amongst them so to speak. I started out with a disbelief of their theories but approached them with an open mind.

I found that in the main they are complete wack jobs. They become brainwashed in a similar manner to a religious cult and believe they have found "the real truth". Disbelievers are treated with derision and insults. Often FOTL attempt to intimidate and bully those that question their beliefs and a common ploy is to attempt to instill a sense of inferiority into their opposers minds by claiming that they are not awake or are slaves. "Sheeple" is one of their favourites.

But when you study it closely as I have done it soon becomes apparent that their beliefs regarding law are incorrect. They claim statute law is not law and believe they may withdraw consent to statutes. But there has been as far as I can tell no court case where the court's decision was that a freeman is not bound by statute law. Anecdotes are provided claiming success but no names, no court dates, no judgments are ever supplied. They fail time after time in court but herald failure as a victory because in their minds it lends proof to their belief that all courts are corrupt.

I note that the poster within this thread who supports FOTL displays typical behaviour. They can never answer direct questions or supply proof so they divert from the topic and quote pseudo-legal nonsense as if it is fact in an attempt to give the appearance of superior knowledge.

They send out umpteen notices to government departments with a time limit (such as seven days) for the department to respond, and in the absence of any responce within that time claim that their assertions have been accepted by the other side. Complete twaddle.

Then of course they will without fail produce their "fee schedule" such as we have seen in this thread. They refuse to accept that the fee schedule is not enforceable and believe that governments will leave them alone because TPTB fear the fee schedule will be implemented. They really are that mad.

Incidentally the poster Bookie mentioned did lose his vehicle and was prosecuted. Foolishly he took Leicestershire police to court to claim his fee schedule of approx £27000, and the case was struck out. Costs of about £4000 were awarded against him. In the end he went to jail. So he lost his car, received a fine, had a huge bill for costs, and saw the inside of a prison cell. A success in the eyes of FOTL because it proves how corrupt the "damn ebil gubbermint" really is.