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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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thanks for your care, not to worry really. its been ongoing for more than a year now, even longer. i can wait for extra few days.

im glad i found some ppl i could talk to, i felt like im all alone in this complete mess

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Hi,

 

OK some good news is that you appear to have a credit agreement with Barclays. The fact that I had a successful case resolved by the FOS against Barclays and Skillstrain will work in your favour.

 

I'm not sure why you believe that the FOS can't help or what response you have had from them if any.

 

The forum-thread mentioned above has been taken down (hopefully) temporarily as a lot of people were racking up post count purely to allow them to PM me for information which goes against forum rules.

 

Can you confirm what course you were/are doing, when you signed up, and if you are continuing to pay off the credit agreement?

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glad u got your money back, im still figthing skillstrain+barclays, it be year more now, im getting pretty desperate and seems that financial ombudsman is either stupid or just dont wanna help me

could you send some info what else should i discuss with financial ombudsman, im just running out of ideas of laws to quote! :(

 

link didnt seem to work that is..

 

What has the FOS said to you about your case? What course did you sign up for an when?

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Ive also sent a request for the facebook group if you could please add me (KS). I dealt with skillstrain back in 2009 after counterclaiming for misrepresentation against them and CDF all I asked was for the course to be cancelled and they could keep my money (£700) as I was going to put it down to experience. After several letters of correspondence and several visits to the CAB, I recieved a letter back in march 2010 saying that I would be hearing from them again between 10 and 14 days, I never heard from them again until yesterday. A debt collection company called Daniels Silverman are demanding that I pay the outstanding debt with CDF. Although I wouldnt wish this crap on anyone, its nice to now that I am not the only one who feels ripped off by these cowboys. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!!

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Hi everyone

 

I've got a problem with Train 4 Trade Skills. In July 2009 I signed up for an Advanced Electrical Course. I haven't submitted a TMA for my course yet. Unfortunately I was unable to do so because of my working hours and new born babies, simply lack of time. Also for that period of time I realised that I do not need this course. So I decided to find out if and what I can do about it. I contacted my school only to find out that cancellation period has expired. Then I contacted Barclays Finance Partner asking for any advice. To my surprise I was told that my money went to Scheidegger Mis company not to T4TS.

So I investigated it further and then from one forum to another through another I am here. I am already on it for hours and I did not find anyone with the same case as mine so far. I signed up for my course over three years ago so I do not remember all the details but I have a feeling that I was not told about cancellation period whatsoever. Apart from that I was assured I can start my course any time I want. From what I've read so far it looks like I would have three years only to finish it.

There was mentioned something about second copy of contract (I think enrolment agreement) stating my rights and that I've read and fully understand Clause 6 overleaf of my enrolment agreement, a copy which has been left with me. It's best now, there is nothing written overleaf, blank page. What is it? A joke? Am I looking at wrong documents or I'm so lucky to have a strong case in the Court? Because obviously next to my signature has written "I confirm the conditions overleaf form part of this agreement I have read and understood them fully and agree to be bounded by their terms" but I could not know my rights to cancel agreement because there is nothing overleaf. By the way I've got two copies of the same document with Barclays and T4TS logos on them. I do not know or remember why. Both are blank overleaf. I still do not know what Clause 6 is about. I'm still repaying my finance because I want to avoid doing stupid things like cancelling it just in case I'm wrong. Maybe someone knows if there possibly is something else wrong with my Electrical Course and can advice me if I can back up my case even more.

As you can see I am on very early stage and I find it very difficult to understand due to lack of knowledge and any experience with that matter. Therefore any suggestions are welcome. Please clarify if I'm wrong about anything and what I'm dealing with. Especially where and how to start from... and finally do I have a case?

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I wouldn't have believed so many others have suffered the same results from these despicable people.

I too, have been mugged by the rouges that sold me a course that was really way beyond my means at any rate, and including the fact I lost my job, and went bankrupt with the credit agy's nasties tapping me up, it took near £4,500 ! from me, for what the course is , well out-of-date. It was the M/S Cisco Net A++ etc, yet I had book after book of Windows 95 then 98 junk thrown at me. Even my own home PC's were like so futuristic by comparison. Even detailing references in the course materials, showing 1990's laptops ie, the HP Pavilion ZE5400, to which I owned one, 7 years before this ! There was no way I could 'jump' forward. I HAD to sift through old hat tech. WHen I originally lost my job, and really could not pay the course, no-body would help at all. The finance co was simply ignorant. The Scheidegger at Luton were amongst the rudest on this planet and care free. So with a credit company chasing me and blacklisting me too, I ended up destitute because of this debt. I have spent still, even through hard times, near FOUR years, gaining nothing [ok - 95-100% scores everytime[tells you something about learning what I already know]] only to find out now, that I cannot log into my Student World acount. Total blank. Like the staff who deny my details as a person/student. WHAT A RIPOFF. I'VE BEEN MUGGED. HAD FRAUD COMMITTED TO ME. BEEN CONNED. However one looks at it, it's just not fair. Even in difficult times with the course, there was no assistance/help or support. I never saw a tutor, yet used to see in my student world inbox "vote for your tutor" to which I'd reply "who is this then" a name is not a person !

I'm out of pocket by near on £4,000 and still have no certificate/degree etc. I've been done !

ADVICE FOR ANYONE THINKING OF USING SCHEIDEGGER COLLEGE IN LUTON WOTH SKILLSTRAIN IS .... DON'T .

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I had dealings with these cowboys in 2008/9 hopeless course totally outdated, no support even though it was 'offered' in the package. Itook the course as I had recently been told by my gp they suspected I may have multiple sclerosois and this leaflet came through the door. My yhead was a bit messed up as you may understand, looking back I can't believe I was so foolish. when I tried to cancel it all turned sour.

 

Personally I have just put it down to experience, but wish the bandits running these make believe courses in what ever guise/name they wish to dress it up in would be held to task and JAILED. They are ripping people off and laughing in their faces.

 

They need to be closed down for good.

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I also was told that I could start the course (Bookkeeping) any time I wanted to.

 

I enrolled at the end of 2006, but with ill-health, unexpected work committments etc I couldn't start the course, but I kept on paying £75/month until 2010 when all the fees were paid.

 

When I had retired and was in better health I contacted Skillstrain,

with a view to starting the course,

only to find out that they had de-registered themselves with the IAB in June 2011and no new students were being accepted!

 

They are refusing to return the money as are Barclay Finance.

 

My interpretation of the 3 year rule was that it only started from the time that a student actually started the course,

how can there be a time limit to finish something that has not been started?

 

I never had any correspondence from them about impending time limits or discontinuing my course.

Regards Sparkie7.

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I cannot believe they are still at it...I was lucky it seems, I didn't pay any money to them, if I recall correctly a strong letter to them and threats of legal action and exposing the con seemed to do the trick. I thought I was getting a grant and signed thinking I was only paying a small contribution, turned out it was £2.000.00 or something like that. They are con artists who come and sell this.

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Hi there guys.

 

I'm a bit new to the forum so please forgive me if there is any questions I ask that have already been answered. My main question would have to be is there any way I can get a refund from Train2Game? I feel that I have been mislead into an agreement which I was not fully prepared for and feel that it has only served to cost me high amounts of money. They are charging me £135 a month, they have only provided me with some very basic materials that I can find online within 10 minutes and filled me with false hope of a "dream" career within the gaming industry. They are all connected with Skillstrain, Train 4 Trade and CDF finance but there is no obvious way for me to get out of the agreement. I haven't even received contact form my lecturers. Also, they have only used my debit card as a method of obtaining the repayments for the fixed sum loan I now have out against my name (again, this was not very clear.) If I was to say, just, cancel the card, would they be able to obtain any more funds from me? Also, it is all registered to an old address. Would they be able to find me if I were to, say, leave the country? I'm just feeling a bit peeved with these rip off artists who have promised me all of this support and contact which hasn't came.

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If these are still going then it is a disgrace. I found some old stuff I had off these the other day and it got me thinking again at how hard the 'hard sell' actually was.

 

I have done some research and found the person (on Facebook) who gave me the hard sell. I have messaged him asking for some information into the Sales Tactics enforced by these people and this company.

 

I hope he replies because I think it will be an interesting response. The good thing is he is living it up in Australia now....very nice.

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