INSIGHT! The entire procedure,misconduct from a PCN to a County Court, 'CAUGHT'

[Joa]

My self-esteem has just disappeared into a great yawning black hole.....I don't get nearly any of the above...

:-?

[Medusa]

Thanks for this!

Very sorry about that.

 

Would you expect to understand a doctor's posting?

Are you familiar with the principles underlying the overriding objective in CPR 1.1-1.4 and how it is overridden?

Or perhaps a computer programmer's language, basic, fortran, pascal C+ C++, Unix C-shell and so on?

Or someone; who uses boolean logic; if then elsif, in his sub routines to handle exception errors?

Or even perhaps someone expert in the art of woodworking with his special language?

 

I marvel at the skills of a fishmonger who can execute a fillet with precision and his language is also as special as the Nine Elms food market where grass means asparagus.

 

I may not expect to understand you in your speciality either.

 

Suggestion, why not read posts in a subject that you trained in, you will be so very much happier.

Return when you are better able to understand the post if really interested, and able to contribute rather than apply a comment that may have shades of a sleight even if not consciously apprehended, there are hundreds of others to please and excite you here.

I am confident, and I mean it, you are a very fine person, but I did say before it is not for all, and if not then don't bother with it.

There is no need to measure its unfathomableness by your own experise in the topic. I wouldn't dream of understanding a Doctor. I would need yet another degree.

 

It's like an Englishman watching a film in French, and complaining he doesn't understand; as it were the makers fault, better not to watch it.

[Michael Browne]

Thanks for this!

Very sorry about that.

 

Would you expect to understand a doctor's posting?

Are you familiar with the principles underlying the overriding objective in CPR 1.1-1.4 and how it is overridden?

Or perhaps a computer programmer's language, basic, fortran, pascal C+ C++, Unix C-shell and so on?

Or someone; who uses boolean logic; if then elsif, in his sub routines to handle exception errors?

Or even perhaps someone expert in the art of woodworking with his special language?

 

I marvel at the skills of a fishmonger who can execute a fillet with precision and his language is also as special as the Nine Elms food market where grass means asparagus.

 

I may not expect to understand you in your speciality either.

 

Suggestion, why not read posts in a subject that you trained in, you will be so very much happier.

Return when you are better able to understand the post if really interested, and able to contribute rather than apply a comment that has shades of a sleight even if not consciously apprehended, there are hundreds of others to please and excite you here.

I am confident, and I mean it, you are a very fine person, but I did say before it is not for all, and if not then don't bother with it.

There is no need to measure its unfathomableness by your own experise in the topic. I wouldn't dream of understanding a Doctor. I would need yet another degree.

I'm not sure if you meant this, but the underlying message from your post is 'Your thick, don't expect me to educate you, so just pi** off'

 

Nice!!

[Joa]

Oh no Medusa, I hope you did not take my post as a criticism. It was just an involuntary expression of wonder, lol

Similarly, I suppose I could leave others gawking were I to start talking my speciality jargon.... which kind of makes me feel better...

sorry for dragging this so off topic

[demon_x_slash]

My self-esteem has just disappeared into a great yawning black hole.....I don't get nearly any of the above...

:-?

 

No need to take a hit to the self-esteem, Joa my friend - I'll bet Medusa doesn't know half as much as you do about tenant law

 

Instead of applying the principle of reason to defend his point of view, our cohort rocket1 resorts to emotional standpoints, taking his own perceived 'cleverness' to be superior to any well thought-out, logically sound argument. Mainly, I think, because it Comes From Him. It's hazardous to do so:

 

Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike.

 

Or...don't think you're too clever with your circular reasoning, sonny jim, 'cos it'll end up biting you in the behind...

[Joa]

Damn, I was just trying to be polite, MB, trust you to call spade a spade,

[demon_x_slash]

[Joa]

demon, darling, thank you for translation. Drink on me in Locos on Monday? Please!!!

[demon_x_slash]

lol I was in today, I mooched in your lobby a bit after handing in an essay but fled...

[Joa]

cluck cluck cluuuuck......

 

hehehe

 

o c'mon, this is ridiculous

[demon_x_slash]

Gods, isn't the building noisy, though? Don't know how you put up with it all day. Chattering classes, indeed

[Medusa]

When I said this

I marvel at the skills of a fishmonger

I meant that everyone has something of value to give. And I respect the humblest in articulation for their chosen path in life.

I also said

I am confident, and I mean it, you are a very fine person.

Meaning it!

 

I made the point that everyone has their own special skills, and that I respect it, and hope they can do likeWISE.

 

No need to take a hit to the self-esteem, Joa my friend - I'll bet Medusa doesn't know half as much as you do about tenant law

 

My very point, I SECOND that!

Fallacies classical.I may not have been perfectly accurate...

Logic Reasoning Thought Laws

From a kind person Dr. Michael C. LaBossiere.

NOT ME!

 

 

The floor, oops perhaps flaw, is whoevers, for the night.

 

Such fun!

[green_and_mean]

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam

[demon_x_slash]

And your point?

[adamna]

G&M needs to listen to himself :D :D

[demon_x_slash]

[bmwman]

Hi All

 

I do NOT wish to offened anyone but I have found Medusa's help very useful in my research into reclaiming an invalid parking ticket. If there is something I do not understand I have two choices I can look it up on the internet or PM medusa for a clearer explaination. After all he has put alot of time and effort into his web site and research to help others and I am sure he does not appreciate some of the comments on here. I know I would not.

 

Keep going madusa is a very helpful site.

[johno1066]

Hi All

 

I do NOT wish to offened anyone but I have found Medusa's help very useful in my research into reclaiming an invalid parking ticket. If there is something I do not understand I have two choices I can look it up on the internet or PM medusa for a clearer explaination. After all he has put alot of time and effort into his web site and research to help others and I am sure he does not appreciate some of the comments on here. I know I would not.

 

Keep going madusa is a very helpful site.

 

I quite agree!! it's very simple; instead of chastising someone and who clearly spends a LOT of time helping others, there is a choice; stop the spitefulness, conduct your own research and create the 'fighting your PCN for Dummies thread; you might then leave the more mature aspects of the defence to those who actually bother to read and are able to understand what Medusa's material. It is clear that many people who visit these forums are looking for a 'McDefence', a fast, off-the-shelf defence that will 'get them off' their parking ticket after which they are never seen again. For those that do give a damn, some of us want to understand the thought processes and sophistry that many of the Councils and legal 'professionals' employ (conciously and sub-conciously), when presenting their arguments. I have found Medusa's material most fascinating and very helpful.

 

Lastly, to the 'Solicitor' who used the fallacious 'call to authority' argument of "I'm a solicitor" so I must be right, I can only hope that you read Medusa's material and learn as much from Medusa as many of your more learned colleagues have gleaned from him. When you have actually read his material, if you still do not agree with it, or you take issue with it, can pick holes in it, then I am confident that Medusa will spend the time and debate openly with you; ad hominem unmasks more about the person perpetrating the attacking, than it does the receipient.

[Medusa]

Dear Bmwman and Johno 1066

Thanks for that! Appreciated.

I mentioned on your Bmwman thread something nasty coming up. Here it is.

 

'Without prejudice' and this may have its flaws; for which apologies in advance if any offence is caused, but the evidence argues otherwise, and a sound rebuttal is all that's needed. That; if madfe, will be unveiled at a hearing shortly.

 

Wayne Pendle, has uncovered something that may / should (if the law is strictly adhered to, as in parking enforcement?) mean all PCNs are illegal for councils whose contracts are with NCP.

 

Perhaps someone here can help.

 

We have examined the paperwork and agree there is a serious flaw, in that a “novation” agreement; essentially a renewal, is backdated, and I think this renders it illegal save from the date of signing the paperwork, and not the backdating.

 

There are now two companies, similar names, that is suspicious to begin with, WHY?

 

NCP ltd, and NCP services ltd Contracts from councils with NCP? Have to be signed, and witnessed to be effective. Councils have contracts with NCP ltd, and when the new company NCP services,took over the parking enforcements, the novation agreement was not signed.

 

The contract purports to be from March 31st 2007, BUT the signing was in January 2008.

 

This should mean that all NCP enforcement, as well as ALL NPC wardens were not effectively and legally authorised to issue tickets to the public.

 

This goes for all councils with contracts towards NCP Ltd and NCP services Ltd.

 

Any motorist should ask their council under Freedom of Information Act, if the company is NCP or NCP services, and then ask for a copy of the novation agreement to be examined by us or your own legal adviser.

 

This is ongoing, and a test case will come up soon at an adjudicator. We know how and if they will try to choreograph semantics to cut through the problem, but they will not succeed with Truth, only Ruth, with that line when disambiguated.

 

The only situation of interest is the question. IS authorisation legal when there is no formal contract in place, and can it be backdated. I think Not. The games afoot.

 

BTW I should mention that Wayne made out a cheque crossed expressly stating his payment was for ONE company NOT he other, the wrong company cashed the cheque, and have to explain it in legal terms rather than semantic glozing.

[green_and_mean]

There are now two companies, similar names, that is suspicious to begin with, WHY?

 

NCP sold off its car parks department allowing the new buyer to retain the brand name and re named the Contracts side NCP services ltd, hardly suspicious.

[Medusa]

Thanks very much for this! I am very grateful for the input it will be passed on to Wayne.

 

It constituted one of the lesser important aspects of the examination, but has a context of name changing that is part of a general feature in a topology of social engineering taking place these days that cannot I think be said to be without or devoid of some design and purpose, or agenda.

 

Namely recent cosmetic changes of PCA to IPCC, LGO to PSO, DCA to Min' of Justice. One is left a little concerned as to; arguably the need at all.

 

The most notable being a council's name change of a civil penalty; in writing several times, to an 'award', even when it rose to £1800 in the case being deployed at www.twtanb.co.uk. Not only does this dull the edge of truth, but it delivers detriment to mental health by mitigating a subtraction that IT IS, and calling it an award, that it IS NOT. It would be nice if those people responsible got their wages as a subtraction, and also called them awards. so they along with US can feel wonderful about it all.

 

A recent BBC question time also examined the need for people to change their names at certain times in life, which simply opens the eyes of enquiry and anticipation, or may be possibly seen as the fine edge of 'culpa lata.....', hidden fault, when silence is the response.

 

 

Keywords that act as touchstones to associative complexes, like local council to authority. And in PCA the inclusion of Independent, where in LGO the keywords now is Service. A name change to service whera a detriment is delivered is arguably such a keyword. One can see how this is is adding to subliminal persuasion, but perhaps it may be argued that I am looking too deeply without merit, a view I respect.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet", and a detriment by any other name will smell deceit, just as a nettle will sting all the same whatever one calls it.

 

Unambiguous contextual inferencing, and the coherence of acts and omissions that fulfil a design and purpose teleologically are not seen so easily at the beginning, needing time and critical path observation, but unravel in accordance with several of Shakespeare's witty couplets, one of which; is the more inert being;

 

O Time, thou must untangle this, not I;

It is too hard a knot for me t' untie!

 

What would be of immense help is any views on the notion and legality of an agreement that is drafted to be signed, as distinct to signatures being affixed to an empty document before the drafting is agreed to.

 

Essentially back-dating an agreement, leaves one entitled to make an enquiry. That is what we are looking at as the central focus.

[johno1066]

NCP sold off its car parks department allowing the new buyer to retain the brand name and re named the Contracts side NCP services ltd, hardly suspicious.

 

Are you 'sniping' or are you entertaining serious discussion? If you are entertaining discussion this after all, is a forum), then you are so obviously 'knowledgeable' about the sale and all the parties concerned, perhaps you would share with us your thoughts on why Councils are novating agreements then backdating them to March! Perhaps you might enlighten us all as to the aspects regarding the sale, why COuncil documentation 9 months later, still refers to National Car Parks Ltd and why NCP Services Ltd, it would appear, are cashing cheques made payable to another company?

[green_and_mean]

Are you 'sniping' or are you entertaining serious discussion? If you are entertaining discussion this after all, is a forum), then you are so obviously 'knowledgeable' about the sale and all the parties concerned, perhaps you would share with us your thoughts on why Councils are novating agreements then backdating them to March! Perhaps you might enlighten us all as to the aspects regarding the sale, why COuncil documentation 9 months later, still refers to National Car Parks Ltd and why NCP Services Ltd, it would appear, are cashing cheques made payable to another company?

 

I'm doing neither just pointing out restructuring a company is hardly 'suspicious' especially when it was announced in most business sections of the daily press. I have far too much to do in my free time than to worry about pointless conspiracy theories.

[johno1066]

I have far too much to do in my free time than to worry about pointless conspiracy theories.

 

If YOU believe it to be a conspiracy theory and pointless then why are you "just pointing out"?

 

It's all too easy to pull out a morsel of text and ignore the meat of the content in order to make an easy conclusion that ultimately contributes very little. That i'm afraid is sniping, yes or no g&m?

[green_and_mean]

If YOU believe it to be a conspiracy theory and pointless then why are you "just pointing out"?

 

It's all too easy to pull out a morsel of text and ignore the meat of the content in order to make an easy conclusion that ultimately contributes very little. That i'm afraid is sniping, yes or no g&m?

 

If you consider disagreeing as 'sniping' then fair enough but that is just your opinion which you are entitled to just as much as I am entitled to express mine!! If anything, I would have thought your dig at me was in fact sniping since it added nothing to the discussion apart from to have a go at me.