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This is just my two pence worth and my personal opinion.. so please no one spout off about road traffic acts etc..as Im blonde and wouldnt Know what you were talking about :rolleyes:

 

As I can appreciate that your land is your land and you pay X amount a year for the upkeep etc and why should Joe public park on your land for free or park there at all if uninvited or out stay their time limit etc etc etc you get the gist. Why does it have to be a money making business. You spend out x amount of pounds to get signs put up that most cant be read, pay out for printed tickets, pay wages to the man who gives them out or tows/clamps the cars.. pay out for the person to sit there all day waiting (like a vulture) to pounce on the car who has out stayed his welcome.

when so much time and effort can be saved if you just put a warning on the car to start with or just get people to pay for parking like a pay and display. I some times think that these people who do this sort of business have no compassion and thrive on making peoples lives miserable because they perhaps didnt see the signs and genuinely thought they were parking in a safe place to park. It makes me angry that these huge shopping complexes have free parking for customers up to two hours as long as you shop in their shops, but if you pop off to get something else off of the complex you get a ticket!!!!! even though they were a customer. or you get a ticket for parking over the two hours. when you are disabled or have children you tend to take your time when shopping and it often takes more than two hours when looking around the whole complex. why do we have to shop on a time limit? most of these shopping complexes have ample parking spaces so its not like you are taking up space. I would also like to point out that never have I seen in this area that a Valid blue badge has to be displayed to park in a disabled bay. some disabled drivers dont have a blue badge. I didnt for years does that mean I cant park in a disabled bay. my tax disc has clearly marked on it that it is registered disabled.

any way im rambling on now its just my opinion.

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B] Some Yamyam with a vested interest and who either cannot be bothered or lacks the required good character to obtain an SIA licence

and has a similar can't give a monkeys about incorporation,too tight to pay for incorporation or can't get incorporated for some "other" reason.

 

Phone a friend anyone ? :lol:

 

Sorry..... I giggled at yamyam :p:-D

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Sorry 1 final thing.

 

In my original post I stated "I am NOT going to enter into long debates over this, I was asked a few weeks ago to get a transcript of a case and i have done it ... "

 

This is turned into a silly and pointless debate .. I just did something I was asked to do.

 

Anyway, I will leave you to argue it between yourselves .. If anyone genuinally wants a copy of other judgements then send me a PM and I will send to you.

 

Have fun agreeing with yourselves !

The rules of the forum states about no names to be made public in the forums.. your transcript had the names on show.. thus it was taken off.

like I stated rules are rules and you have to abide by them or you pay the penalty of having it taken down. unlike companies like yours you wont be charged for your mistake :-D

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It appears the perk and rates have something of a history:

 

Anger over charge for tables: Express & Star

 

I love the quote by the perkmeister:

 

"There can be no justification for this extra tax. The figure of £250 is just plucked out of thin air.”

 

This from a man who issues private parking tickets.:rolleyes:

 

I like to think this is KARMA :-D

what goes around comes around

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Am I correct in assuming that all private parking companies have now to be members of the BPA as from October this year, and have to follow their code of practice??

Just wondered if mr perky was a member and has the BPA logo on his signs and tickets.. by the way if this has already been covered i apologise

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