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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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BANKS FACE OVERDRAFT TEST CASE

By Nicky Burridge, PA Personal Finance Correspondent

The Competition watchdog tonight announced plans to take the major high street banks to court over their unauthorised overdraft charges.

The Office of Fair Trading will launch a test case in the High Court tomorrow in a bid to establish that the high charges are unfair.

Tens of thousands of consumers have complained about the charges, which are levied on people who breach their authorised overdraft limit, with many taking their bank to court.

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The OFT, which has been investigating the issue since March, said the banks did not accept the unfairness rules of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations applied to the charges.

But it said in a statement: "The OFT believes that they do and is seeking to establish this legal principle clearly in the court.

"The OFT considers that a quick determination of this point of principle will assist in securing a clear orderly resolution of the fairness of these charges."

It added that it had decided to take action after being unable to secure voluntary compliance.

The test case will involve Abbey National, Barclays, Clydesdale, the HBOS group, which includes Halifax, HSBC, Lloyds TSB, the Royal Bank of Scotland Group, which includes NatWest, and Nationwide Building Society.

Together these banks account for around 90% of the current account market in the UK.

The British Bankers' Association said the banks were working with the OFT and City watchdog the Financial Services Authority to ask the UK courts to clarify the legal position regarding overdraft fees.

But it added that the banks still believed the fees for unauthorised overdraft charges were clear and fair.

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The FSA has agreed to issue a waiver allowing banks to suspend the handling of complaints on the issue of unauthorised overdraft charges until the courts have issued a judgment.

As a result, all existing and subsequent complaints on the issue will be recorded by banks, but any potential refunds will be put on hold until the outcome of the case is known.

Offers that have already been made to customers will be honoured if customers choose to accept them.

Banks will also be writing to the UK courts requesting a stay of all claims that are pending until after the outcome of the test case.

The FSA said it did not think it was in the interest of consumers for the complaints to continue to be handled in the current "inconsistent way".

Angela Knight, chief executive of the BBA, said: "Establishing legal clarity on the issue of bank charges is of paramount importance, not only for the banking industry, but for all customers now and in the future.

"The banks have always been firmly of the view that the fees they charge customers are fair and clear. The court case will clarify these points and provide certainty for customers and banks alike."

mf 261912 JUL 07

 

Cavendish Elithorn, senior director of the OFT, said: "It is obviously a big step for the OFT and we are happy to be providing clarification for consumers.

"The banks have disputed whether the law applies or not, and we have agreed with them that the best thing to do is go to court to get it clarified."

He added that there were two stages to the test, the first was to decide whether the charges were covered by the law, and the second was what a fair charge would be.

The OFT said the test case complemented the ongoing market study it was carrying out into personal current accounts, which addressed wider questions about competition and price transparency. It will publish its findings by the end of the year.

Thousands of consumers have challenged their bank over the charges, which can be as high as #39 for bouncing a single payment.

Consumer and financial websites have encouraged the revolt, with many providing letters that people can download.

At the beginning of this month, 44 claims were due to be heard in Hull, but all but eight were settled by banks beforehand, with more than #50,000 believed to have been paid out to customers in the run-up to the hearing.

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The FSA said tonight that there were "significant deficiencies" in the way banks were handling complaints about the charges, with some failing to respond fairly and consistently, while others were not adequately addressing them.

It said in some cases banks had unfairly closed accounts or threatened to do so, and made false or misleading statements to complainants.

Consumer group Which? welcomed the test case.

Doug Taylor, personal finance campaigner at Which?, said: "This announcement is a victory for common sense. In April 2006, we called for the FSA to investigate whether bank customers have been treated unfairly and this process will finally give legal certainty.

"A lot of time and money could have been saved if the banks had not tried to evade questions about their charging structures for the past year. It's unfortunate that it has to go to court, but at least we will get a decision that banks cannot dispute."

Tony Boorman, principal ombudsman at the Financial Ombudsman Service, said: "This year the ombudsman service has been dealing with tens of thousands of inquiries and complaints about bank charges - and county courts across the UK have similarly been coping with significant volumes of bank-charge claims.

"In the cases that the ombudsman service has settled so far, all disputed unauthorised overdraft charges have been repaid, but on a voluntary 'goodwill' basis, without the ombudsman reaching the stage of investigating the merits of the legal issues.

"Meanwhile, cases heard in the county courts have so far resulted in a range of outcomes, with inconsistent and unpredictable judgements and no clear legal precedent being set."

He said it was in the interests of everyone involved to settle the legal uncertainties relating to the level, fairness and lawfulness of unauthorised overdraft charges.

He added that the ombudsman service would also be suspending its work on complaints relating to the issue until after the court case.

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Liberal Democrat treasury spokesman Vince Cable said he hoped the courts would come down firmly on the side of the consumer.

"This is a very important milestone in the struggle by consumers to get fair treatment from their banks," he said.

"After initially dismissing protests from consumers and consumer groups regarding unfair overdraft charges, banks have had to concede that they are on very shaky ground legally.

"There is widespread dissatisfaction over the way charges are applied capriciously and are often unrelated to any costs."

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BANKS FACE OVERDRAFT TEST CASE

By Nicky Burridge, PA Personal Finance Correspondent

The Office of Fair Trading will begin its High Court bid today to prove bank charges for unauthorised overdrafts are unfair.

Tens of thousands of consumers have complained about the charges, which are levied on people who breach their authorised overdraft limit, with many taking their bank to court.

The OFT, which has been investigating the issue since March, said the banks did not accept the unfairness rules of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations applied to the charges.

It said in a statement: "The OFT believes that they do and is seeking to establish this legal principle clearly in the court.

"The OFT considers that a quick determination of this point of principle will assist in securing a clear orderly resolution of the fairness of these charges."

It added that it had decided to take action after being unable to secure voluntary compliance.

The charges can be as high as #39 for bouncing a single payment.

Consumer and financial websites have encouraged the revolt, with many providing letters that people can download.

The test case will involve Abbey National, Barclays, Clydesdale, the HBOS group, which includes Halifax, HSBC, Lloyds TSB, the Royal Bank of Scotland Group, which includes NatWest, and Nationwide Building Society.

Together these banks account for around 90% of the current account market in the UK.

The British Bankers' Association said the banks were working with the OFT and City watchdog the Financial Services Authority to ask the UK courts to clarify the legal position regarding overdraft fees.

But it added that the banks still believed the fees for unauthorised overdraft charges were clear and fair.

The FSA has agreed to issue a waiver allowing banks to suspend the handling of complaints on the issue of unauthorised overdraft charges until the courts have issued a judgment.

As a result, all existing and subsequent complaints on the issue will be recorded by banks, but any potential refunds will be put on hold until the outcome of the case is known.

Offers that have already been made to customers will be honoured if customers choose to accept them.

Banks will also be writing to the UK courts requesting a stay of all claims that are pending until after the outcome of the test case.

The FSA said it did not think it was in the interest of consumers for the complaints to continue to be handled in the current "inconsistent way".

Angela Knight, chief executive of the BBA, said: "Establishing legal clarity on the issue of bank charges is of paramount importance, not only for the banking industry, but for all customers now and in the future.

"The banks have always been firmly of the view that the fees they charge customers are fair and clear. The court case will clarify these points and provide certainty for customers and banks alike."

Cavendish Elithorn, senior director of the OFT, said: "It is obviously a big step for the OFT and we are happy to be providing clarification for consumers.

"The banks have disputed whether the law applies or not, and we have agreed with them that the best thing to do is go to court to get it clarified."

He added that there were two stages to the test, the first was to decide whether the charges were covered by the law, and the second was what a fair charge would be.

The OFT said the test case complemented the ongoing market study it was carrying out into personal current accounts, which addressed wider questions about competition and price transparency. It will publish its findings by the end of the year.

At the beginning of this month, 44 claims were due to be heard in Hull, but all but eight were settled by banks beforehand, with more than #50,000 believed to have been paid out to customers in the run-up to the hearing.

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