Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
    • Makers of insect-based animal feed hope to be able to compete with soybeans on price.View the full article
    • Thank you for posting up the results from the sar. The PCN is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. Under Section 9 [2][a] they are supposed to specify the parking time. the photographs show your car in motion both entering and leaving the car park thus not parking. If you have to do a Witness Statement later should they finally take you to Court you will have to continue to state that even though you stayed there for several hours in a small car park and the difference between the ANPR times and the actual parking period may only be a matter of a few minutes  nevertheless the CEL have failed to comply with the Act by failing to specify the parking period. However it looks as if your appeal revealed you were the driver the deficient PCN will not help you as the driver. I suspect that it may have been an appeal from the pub that meant that CEL offered you partly a way out  by allowing you to claim you had made an error in registering your vehicle reg. number . This enabled them to reduce the charge to £20 despite them acknowledging that you hadn't registered at all. We have not seen the signs in the car park yet so we do not what is said on them and all the signs say the same thing. It would be unusual for a pub to have  a Permit Holders Only sign which may discourage casual motorists from stopping there. But if that is the sign then as it prohibits any one who doesn't have a permit, then it cannot form a contract with motorists though it may depend on how the signs are worded.
    • Defence and Counterclaim Claim number XXX Claimant Civil Enforcement Limited Defendant XXXXXXXXXXXXX   How much of the claim do you dispute? I dispute the full amount claimed as shown on the claim form.   Do you dispute this claim because you have already paid it? No, for other reasons.   Defence 1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of XXXXXXX  2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer. 6. In a further abuse of the legal process the Claimant is claiming £50 legal representative's costs, even though they have no legal representative. 7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. Signed I am the Defendant - I believe that the facts stated in this form are true XXXXXXXXXXX 01/05/2024   Defendant's date of birth XXXXXXXXXX   Address to which notices about this claim can be sent to you  
    • pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’.  Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time.  You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID.  You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.<<**IMPORTANT**  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim type your name ONLY no need to sign anything .you DO NOT await the return of paperwork. you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.
  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
        • Like
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
        • Like
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like

Pudsters14 vs MBNA


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 5497 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

I am in the same situation with Link - they have issued four claims against us. All of the defences are now in, but we have not received any information from Link at all (under CPR)which I have used as part of our defence. On two of the accounts they have not provided a cca, but have tried to argue that it was sent,but our address is inaccessible (funny all their other letters get through ok) they also say they sent recorded deliveries , but we didn't bother to collect them. complete lies. We actually had a message placed through our letter box the other day, as Link had telephoned someone we don't know, and instructed this person to pass a message to us to urgently ring them. I have reported Link to trading stadnards for this. I phoned them and they wanted to discuss an account that so far they have been unable to provide a CCA for, although this one has undoubtedly gone astray as well. So be very careful in your dealings with Link, as they will try every underhanded trick in the book. good luck with your defence, Magda

Edited by MAGDA
typo
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...
  • Replies 357
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

I am in the same situation with Link - they will provide as little information as they possibly can and they have a nasty habit of suddenly coming up with agreements after they have issued court proceedings. They are currently taking us to court for four accounts and we have had very little in the way of documentation from them. When you complete your AQ you can attach your draft directions to it, in which you can basically request any information which you are relying on to be able to defend the claim properly. It will then go before the judge who will decide whether to agree your request and he will also determine which track the claim should be on. I have contacted link on several occasions firstly with a CPR request and then a S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)'s for one of my accounts, but they responded by sending just very vague info which was of no use whatsoever. I expect you know from speaking to them on the phone how underhanded they are, so it's best just to leave it up to the court and hope they will order the disclosure of the info you need. I have reported them to Caerphilly trading standards who are currently investigating them, as my local TS were of no help at all. Hope this helps a bit, and good luck, Magda

Edited by MAGDA
typo
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

The AQ I received from Link was exactly the same as yours, it just means (steven kindly cleared this up for me) that they don't have original documents, so will be relying on copies - However, as far as the agreement is concerned, the original should be available at the hearing. If you see my link, this is all explained by Steven there. Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, I know the feeling! No, the only documents that I received were an actual copy of the AQ's, in fact the court (re: my draft directions on my AQ's) has now ordered Link to provide a complete response to my defence within 21 days for some of the accounts, and details on how the debt was calculated for the other two within fourteen days, which is really good as they have been extremely uncooperative so far, to say the least. The most important thing I have discovered is that the original agreement must be available at the hearing, and they probably don't have it, hence the heresay evidence. Best wishes, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh actually Pudsters they did attach a copy of the agreements to the AQ's and on one of them they attached a notice of assignment, but that was basically it. The other information which I have requested was not provided - I actually did a SAR's for one of the accounts and they sent me very little, no statements, defaults, or anything. I wrote and complained about their lack of compliance and they wrote and said they would provide statments shortly, but these did not materialise. At least they have now been ordered to provide everything I need though, so that's good.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi BRW, The information you have given recently on CPR Practice Direction re: the orignal agreement has been really helpful as you have gone into a lot of detail which will really help when it gets to court ( i'm now busy chanting "only the original agreement will do") and as you mentioned, steven pointed this out to me earlier on my thread - I had no idea about any of this before. Maybe this will give Pudsters and I more of a fighting chance. Thanks also Fantasy charges, will have a look at the link, thanks for all the help, good luck to Pudsters, magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

That is very interesting. I am now hoping to perhaps use

"Notice to admit or produce docs" to my benefit if I can, 32.19 (1)A party shall be deemed to admit the authenticity of a document disclosed to him under Part 31 (disclosure and inspection of documents) unless he serves notice that he wishes the document to be proved at trial.

(2)A notice to prove a document must be served –

(a)by the latest date for serving witness statements; or

(b)within 7 days of disclosure of the document, whichever is later.

 

 

Link are intending to use heresay evidence in both mine and pudsters case, so this should come in very useful.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Hi Pudsters, this was posted on another thread by the terminatior:

 

A directions hearing is basiclly what it say's.A judge usually directs both parties to either disclose information or to reach a settlement within usually 28 days.I personally wouldn't worry too much about this and judges are not stupid if the bank is playing for time or not disclosing what they should do he/her will come down on them like a ton of bricks.Also if either party fail to follow the judges directions they can be held for contempt of court.

 

Hope it all goes well, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...
  • 2 weeks later...

Hi Pudst, sorry to hear you haven't been well - I don't think the stress of all of this helps does it. At least your directions hearing is quite a way off still yet, so it gives you time to get everything sorted. Three of Link's claims against us have now been struck out, so that leaves just the one, which I know Link are going ahead with as they paid the hearing fee. Still at least that is less to cope with than all four together.

 

Hope you are soon feeling better and that everything goes well for you. Keep us posted,

 

Magda

Edited by MAGDA
typo
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

Pudsters, did you notice, when Link sent you a statement of account (I presume you have some figures from them now, but with Link you can never be sure!) that they had charged the normal court fees, but also an adjustment was showing? Do you know if this adjustment is a valid charge or can it be included when calculating the unlawful charges they have applied to the account? They would probably say it includes their solicitor costs, but so far, they don't appear to have a solicitor dealing with any of their claims against me, so would think yours and all the others would be the same? Hope you are getting on ok, Magda

Edited by MAGDA
typo
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 4 weeks later...

Hi Pudsters, the DN is a good route to go down, as Atwozee mentioned, if something is not quite right there - we tend to base it all on the agreement, but there are a lot of other issues as well, so focus on the other paperwork if you can and check that it's all as it should be. Hope you are soon feeling better - it doesn't help with all this going on does it, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
Hiya all, have a small look at this.... I will type word for word what the order says....

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The matter be allocated to the Small Claims Track.

 

The claimant do file and serve, by 4pm on the 19th December 2008, an amended particulars of claim detailing the basis upon which the claim is brought and how the sum of £3614.14 is calculated.

 

The defendant do file and serve, by 4pm on the 9th January 2009, an amended defence setting out; 1) if appropriate the amount of any sum admitted and 2) the basis upon which the claim (balance of the claim) is disputed.

 

The parties do file and serve, by the 2nd February 2009, 1) a statement from themselves and any witness upon whom the intent to rely and 2) copies of all the documents upon which they intend to rely with the originals being produced at the hearing.

 

The matter be listed for a small claim hearing on rhw 9th March 2009 at 12.00 and will take no longer than 2 hours.

 

It is hereby recorded that the claimant has today provided the defendant with a copy (for the first time) of the credit agreement to which the claim relates.

 

 

What do you think? What happens if they don't submit a new POC? Plus the credit agreement they say above is actually an application form and I can reiterate that in my defence etc... I think she put the bit in about the first time thing because link have been so obstructive and wouldn't give me any information etc...

 

Thoughts would be much appreciated.... Oh and can Link get that deadline extended for the POC? Only coz I go into hospital for an op early Jan and was going to get all my stuff done ready for the 9th Jan deadline but if they start messing with the dates (the judge set them around the fact I was in hosp etc) I may be in hospital when things are due in?!?

 

Just covering all bases really

 

Pudst

x x x x

 

Hi Pudsters, if they don't respond by the deadline, you can apply to the court to have the claim struck out. They can apply for an extension, but knowing Link, they probably won't. They will either fail to respond at all, in which case you can request the claim be struck out, or they will respond at the 11th hour. Although the first, in my experience, is more likely. Good luck, seems to be going well for you so far, magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

Had a quick look at the witness statement. I think you need to provide copies of the correspondence mentioned in points 10 and 11 for example (exhibit ...) as part of your bundle. Also, you mentioned that you have the original DN, and I'm not sure if that is a good idea, as you are then confirming that the claimant did indeed serve the original DN at the time they claim. It would otherwise be up to the claimant to prove that the DN was indeed served and they probably are unable to do this. If I notice anything else, will let you know, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just to add, if they haven't been able to produce the original DN (in which case the agreement between yourself and the original creditor is still intact as they would need to default before terminating, as far as I'm aware) then the whole process prior to the assignment of the debt would render the assignment invalid. It might then be a good idea to send a cpr 31.14 request to ask them for disclosure of the DN they claim was served, and any other documents that they so far have been unable to provide. This certainly did the trick in my own case, although you are at a different stage (I had a date set for hearing). Hope this helps, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sure you will be fine in the end - you have a really good defence anyway, even just based on the so called agreement, which of course is nothing more than a pre-contractual application form. I'm sure someone will give you a bit more help later today and hopefully you can get everything finalised then. Best of luck, Magda

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...
  • 2 weeks later...
  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...