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so have you paid anything since nov 2019?

 

surely it should be quite easy to discover their bank details.

then pay what you think you owe by bacs.

 

not sure where you acquaint fraud with the involvement of a dca to chase you.?

 

totally powerless and not bailiffs.

 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to GNE over billing and refusing to amend bills - domestic energy account.

sorry it just read so much like the business stories we have here.

 

so, the bottom line is that GNE want more money then what is owed

you've involved Ofgem you say?

and you are awaiting the SAR return.

 

it's quite std practice to involve DCA, and thats nothing to bother about.

 

you have a record of the initial correct move in reading?

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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brilliant.

await the sar then

and you should be able to workout what you actually owe, 

is the bill currently £2400 or is that the total they are wishing to charge minus payments made to date?

 

as long as you are below £500 they can't object to the switch, esp if the sum is in dispute.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well that consumption can't be right

you are not an industrial unit!!

 

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no now come on, stop being too much of a stick in the mud.

 

simply send them any readings over the whole period you have.

that will give you a very solid basis to say xx useage = xx cost + any standing charges for the contract term = £xxx. i offer this now to close our mutual issue.

 

you can hit them afterwards with the regulators etc etc , sometimes its better to help them resolve things rather than digging feet in.

no i agree you don't deal with 3rd party interlopers, and no you don't deal with DCA's etc.

but it's can't really be defined as fraud no.

 

you also can't charge anyone 'fees' for you doing something you really should be doing anyway.

over all some of what you are indicating worries me it's based on some sort of freemen of the land advice sites.

following such information can be damaging to ones overall credibility. and unnecessarily complicate matter and relations toward a sensible resolution.

 

dx

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well let the relevant authorities do that , not a consumer..

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Green Energy Passed my Details to Lowri Beck to carry out a task - is this a Cause for action after GDPR breach??

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Lowri Beck install meters and manage the supply infrastructure for numerous suppliers

 

can't see any issue here at all.

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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why are a company having to get meter readings.??

why are you simply not sending them on a regular basis to GNE via their webportal

 

you have no claim under GDPR whatsover, they are quite entitled to farm out meter reading tasks to whomever they wish, as do the major providers for those without smart meters.

 

dx

 

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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they are not a 3rd party...

 

so HOW are you sending regular meter readings or do you already have smart meters?

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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why are you avoiding to answer how you are giving meter readings?

 

sorry, but something smells here in your reluctance to answer that very simple question?

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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4 hours ago, Intrepid said:

Yes obviously they are entitled to subcontract tasks, the question is are subcontractors entitled to contact if they have no need to? This seems to be a complete u-turn on your previous policy of not engaging with third parties.

which was in regards to a guess this was a DCA chasing 'a debt' as you failed to identify till today, whom was contacting you, it now becomes clear the people trying to do have contractual cause - to gather meter readings.

  

3 hours ago, Intrepid said:

Should this third party be contacting me without my consent for what I believe is their independent use.

 

yes they are entitled too and no i don't believe what they intend to collect is for their independent use.

they are carrying out their contractual obligation duty which, under the suppliers T&C's they can delegate.

i also suspect that covid is playing a part here too.

 

under gdpr even though they are getting your details from GNE, they would, quite rightly, have to carryout their own checks to ensure they are dealing with the correct person, if this is what is concerning you.

 

my overall thoughts here are that you are sadly kicking up a stink about nothing under GDPR.

 

Had you supplied correct and regular meter readings to GNE you p'haps would not have suffered the over billing and the resultant excessive billing issues upon various fronts you have suffered and this p'haps too, should be the focus of your 'complaint'. 

 

Granted the initial reading upon sign-up to GNE appears to have been erroneous, for whatever reason, but again, one would have thought as a consumer you would have recorded such important details when switching to them, again ensuring the previous supplier correctly bills until the switch itself.

 

It smacks to me that you have either by design or sheer innocence, failed to give the required data to enable correct billing, leading too excessive estimated bills and now want to wave your arms around..

 

their website and indeed the online portal clearly states your responsibilities and gives an easy simple way to do so.

https://greennetworkenergy.co.uk/help-centre/meters-and-meter-reading/

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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13 hours ago, Intrepid said:

must have failed to get the point across, I did send them an accurate reading

 

 

and there is your problem

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you have refused to give them anything but one reading?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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i'm trying to understand why , if you have, refused to give regular and accurate meter readings when asked by GNE and then complain a company tasked to gather them is breaking some GDPR rule?

 

we know GNE are useless and over bill people, lots of threads on them already...but GIGO, 

i hope you do win, but surely withholding relevant information to be accurately billed is going to harm your case with the ombs?

 

just seems a bit silly to me...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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