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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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sent lba to n&p last week signed for via post office,still not signed for ,i have to wait til 5th dec before it,s returned to me .seems like i,ll need to change my return address before they,ll accept it,just a thought .anybody else had a similiar experience or could it be just a coincidence that it has gone astray

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sent lba to n&p last week signed for via post office,still not signed for ,i have to wait til 5th dec before it,s returned to me .seems like i,ll need to change my return address before they,ll accept it,just a thought .anybody else had a similiar experience or could it be just a coincidence that it has gone astray

 

If you are relying on track and trace website it is not always up to date.

I am not sure what you mean by cahnge your address - why will it be returned to you?

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my return address is on the back of the letter i sent as recorded.have also phoned royal mail today and they confirmed that it has not been delivered.maybe it,s just me putting 2&2 together:(

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phoned post office again this time told that sorry but it hasn,t been delivered and not that it has been refused and that you should never have been told that it would be returned to me:mad: .flippin typical i,ve now waited 2 weeks to get it back when i was never going to:mad: .so today i have now sent another lba with a copy of the first and the date on the second amended to give them 2 weeks.this time sent by next day by 1 o,clock guaranteed cost £4.10:o .oh well it,ll be well worth it ,filled in a missing letter form also so should get the postage back on the first 1 plus a whole 2 books of first class stamps:D woohoo

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hi just want to make sure i can still add to this thread , i take it that it would be mine as i started it:) ,sorry but me pc,s and forum posting don,t really go hand in hand ,i,m more used to holding a hammer:cool: ,anyway could one of the mods change the thread title ,i did try but as you see it,s still the same:confused: .i,m claiming against norwich and peterborough so could it be the title.sorry to be a pain .thank you:)

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this has happened to me too ...Sent 3 letters recorded signed for on 15th November & only one traceable ... PO said they'd been very busy & they were behind & to wait till 4th December.

 

I had the same thoughts as you if I'm honest :rolleyes: I only re-sent one of my LBA's but I only gave an extra 7 days & called it a 'final notice before proceedings' with a copy of the original LBA attached and saying how dissapointed I was they hadn't replied!

 

It may have been delivered but just no proof - i too will be claiming my postage back on these two when i get to the PO for a form :D

links to my current claims ...

My claim - Yorkshire Bank Visa

chezt V RBS Mastercard

Chezt v RBS Joint Account

chezt v Abbey Credit Card

 

Settled ...

chezt V Duet Card/Creation Finance

chezt v's Studio Cards

chezt v's Littlewoods Catalogue

 

Next ...

Abbey Joint a/c & Single a/c

Barclaycard (Mine & Hubby's)

Anyone else I can think of ...! :rolleyes:

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I dont know if this will help but I live close to N&P head office

I could hand deliver

 

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You may think that but . . ......

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Total repaid to date £1947.58

 

Lloyds Currrent a/c £745.27

Moneyclaim filed 17th June

Defence and AQ 25th July. Case struck out 11 Aug

reinstated and hearing 15th Jan 2007

 

Lloyds loan a/c D A request expired 19th June

Proceedings under S7 Data Protection Act issued 29th June defence and counterclaim 27 July

Hearing Jan 3 2007

Listed final hearing April 2007-

Judge declared an interest and disqualified himself

new date to be set

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thanks crusty git :) ,it went by royalmail special delivery ,i,ve been checking track n trace all day :) so maybe it was me that overloaded their system :) ,of all the days it happens and it matters to me it flippin crashes even the helpline can,t tell me it was delivered:mad: .bum i,ll try again tommorrow:cool:

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are back to the pc i,ve been pc free for a week ,anyway since had a reply from n&p 13th ,and he anticipates a response to the points raised in 7 days,mmmm he even says that he has not recieved my 1st lba sent on the 15th nov,:confused: i wondered why i put another copy of it in the second lba i sent with an amended date:confused: ,i think i now know why banks think that these charges are fair:| the people who work there are so far removed from the real world:)

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ok 14 days have gone had a reply,saying only we may get back to you in 7 days.i,ve added up what i,m claiming back but now that i,ve added 8% ,this means the total amount is over 5k.i am claiming on 2 accounts so should i now put it as seperate claims through mycol

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well since had a reply,as you cannot agree to the terms and conditions on the accounts ,i,m sure you will agree that it is best if your accounts are closed :confused: ,i thought they already were.this bit has really confused me :though whilst it is clear that you do not agree with the level of charges specified,i am sure that you agree that a charge in itself is appropriate.eh yes but what does he call a reasonable amount:| .best he is going to offer is an offer of 50% as a gesture of goodwill only.anybody see a problem using mycol as the claim with interest takes the amount over 5k

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well keep us posted lilal Mr N&P will not be impressed at having to pay back this money will he you say your account is with debt recovery are you going to have you default removed too or does the refund not cover what you owe them either way its money for you or pays back what you are paying them.

 

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luckily i,ve never had a default ,lets just say they hammered me big time like £240 in 3 days,we went into meltdown the brown stuff well n truly hit the fan:evil: .can,t wait till i can stick 2 fingers up at em:D .they owe us twice what we owe them:p

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thats great news then its about time someone stuck thoses certain fingers up to the norwich and peterborough. I know what you mean about being hammered big style same for us this time last year i was sacked for falling preg with my son, The company i was working for decided that as they had sacked me they would not pay!!!! (didnt tell me of course) 1st thing i knew about it was phoning bank on what was meant to be pay day to be informed they had charged me for 11 cheques and 8 directdebits a total of £560.50 in one day and a lot more after that! when i explained the situation to bank they just looked as if to say and thats our problem why? so Im with you on this one fingers to the lot of them :D

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yep i,m so grateful to all the guys on this site ,i no longer have that feeling of being alone:) .everybodies sh*t is different but n&p make out that you are the only 1 that has the problem

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yahay:D :D ,have it in my hand ,i won it all back thanks to everybody:D :):cool: £4238.50. we owed them £2838.71 so we still get a bit :cool: .thanks again you bet i,m gonna donate,and fill the survey, now to go after the others.

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just an update ,paid me cheque in :D .after an offer of 50% from the n&p ,we accecpted only as part settlement and with the rejection letter added that if they didn,t make a full settlement within 10 days then we would then start court action :) .this done it and a full offer was made 2 days later:) .i gave up with using the post office and took the letter back to the branch and it went by internal mail,good as any next day guaranteed less the £4.50.i did use sae from n&p though so this may have helped too.hope this helps anybody:cool:

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