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    • If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's not to call and communicate via email. I passed this info on to her and they are pushing for her to call them.    "Unfortunately, you will need to call us. The conversation won’t be so black and white as to therefore type over email. In a nutshell we can confirm that the request to not pay for 3 months we cannot put in place"  I emailed them back on her behalf and said that what ever is discussed over the phone will need to be put in an email so that she can review it properly. No decisions will be made on that phone call.    "Once we speak to you on the phone we will follow up with an email to confirm the options discussed. [Phone number]"   Why are they pushing for a phone call? If its not so black and white, why can they then follow up with an email?  
    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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My advice would be to stop ringing them and let them write to you providing details and demanding payment. It is in the nature of their "profession" to lie and use extreme pressure techniques in telephone calls to persuade and intimidate people. Moreover, Mackenzie Hall work at the fag end of this particular market.

 

If they do eventually write, post back here or pm me and I'll run through how to deal with them.

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I am almost certain that that is correct. They seem to be trying to rely on the "cause of action" wording in Section 5 of the Limitation Act. However, I believe that the Act is interpreted to mean six years from the last payment by the debtor or written acknowledgement of the debt.

 

If the debt is statute barred (and Mackenzie Hall have a reputation for sailing close to the wind on this one) this removes the legal obligation to pay them. It doesn't of itself stop them from hassling. However, continued attempts to collect a statute barred debt after you have told them to p1ss off probably constitute an offence under Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act (1970). You may need to be prepared to assert this quite strongly and also to refer the matter to your local trading standards dept.

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More fun and games :)

Yesterday I got a Standing Order form to fill out, for $47 a week!

Today they rang me to ask why I hadn't filled it out, and I explained I'd not bothered because I am not an idiot.

Phonedroid told me I needed to get a crime number if I thought there was identity theft happening, and I explained that I had no idea what was happening, as they hadn't sent any details at all.

He couldn't understand.

I explained that I was not so simple as to blindly send money to a company I had never heard of, regarding a debt I was unaware of, to an organisation I had never heard of, unless they could provide proof.

*But...we have your name and address, what more proof do you want?*

I explained that I would require copies of all the agreements and transfer paperwork. He called me a *****ing idiot* if he thought I would get them, and hung up.

So today I am requesting the paperwork, and sending a £1 postal order.

 

The fun never ends. I am going to play this one out. It's better than TV :)

 

I don't suppose that you recorded that conversation, did you? This sort of behavior is unacceptable and using language like that is likely to get this company in trouble but only if you have evidence of it. I would in any event, send them a letter of complaint and copy it to your local Trading Standards department.

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thats what i was thinking when reading the posts, this would be so cool if can get it tracked back, Let the tiger out the bag i say.;)

 

I've just checked and there's no publicly registered judgement against them. Did they pay it within a month of it being made?

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Well, having sent a letter and a £1 postal order to Mackenzie Hall, I have received no reply within the 12 days, and so I have two options. i can let the whole thing go, or send the details to the relevent authorities. Can you guess which of the two options I am drawn towards taking?

I need to do a bit of research here, and maybe you kind folk can help. Given the circumstances I have noted in the thread do I continue by forwarding the information to the relevent authorities? And if I do, is there any possibility of any back-lash?

Personaly I am of a mind to hang the buggers out to dry :)

 

You would probably be best waiting for the 30 days to expire as they will then have committed a criminal offence.

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Unless you have an abject apology from them, you should report the facts of what happened to your local Trading Standards department. They may not act on this occasion but they will hold details of it on file for reference when they inevitably receive more complaints in the future.

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I would suggest that you enter into no further correspondence with MH. Make a full and detailed complaint to your local Trading Standards department stating that they have failed to supply a copy of the signed agreement when requested. If you think the debt isn't yours or if you think it's statute barred then include this in the complaint as well. Follow up with TS and demand a response.

 

If MH attempt to make any further contact refer every instance of them doing so to TS and say that they are harassing you for payment of an alleged and unenforceable debt.

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Children....

 

I actually work for Mackenzie Hall. I have done for some time.

Now before anyone has an aneurysm, please just let me explain a few things...Im not on here to argue or to make enemies (which im sure is inevitable), im honestly interested .

in the information people are seeking here. I'd like to be the one person on this site that people can actually ask one on one, as opposed to other people posting opinions or misleading info.

with re. to Gaz's problem....my dear friend, statute barred (or the 6 year rule) does not mean the debt is written off - legally, debt stays with you till u go to your grave. this is a massive misconception on these sites, people are led to believe that after 6 years, ur untouchable. This is wrong, and if anyone would like to approach a legal solicitor re. this, by all means, please do so. What companies like mine do is, they BUY bad debt from clients (ie. JD Williams, Llyods..) and they then pursue it. Bad debt means debt that obviously has been unatainable by previous creditors. however, only 1/3rd of our debtors are stat barred. most are only a year or two into the mess. and in terms of legalities, and using illegal procedures to attain debt, if we ever did breach any of these legalities...we would no longer exist. trust me. the governing bodies and regulators are watching and listening every minute of the day. yet mackenzie hall are the fastest growing company in this field in the UK, attaining high profile clients such as Lloyd's Bank. any rumours of rule breaking or legal ramifications are absolutly ridiculous.

 

Gaz, it probably is identity theft.....either that or your estranged wife perhaps used your details for credit. either way, i would definetly pursue it, whther that be calling mackenzie hall or going to the police re. fraud....because it will stay with you until its resolved either way.

 

Well, if you are not here to cause an argument, then starting of your post "children..." is not a good way to start.

 

Statute barred debt is statute barred debt. It is unenforecable through the courts and I am surprised that you admit to buying it. The fact that you do so makes me suspicious of your claims as to who you work for. I will be watching your posts carefully.

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The point I was making was that I was surprised that you admit to buying statute barred debt. I know of one of MH's competitors who has gone to quite extraordinary lengths to silence anyone who suggests that they do something similar.

 

As you say, statute barred debt is unenforceable through the courts. It doesn't stop the owner of a debt seeking recovery although I am surprised to see you describing people who might knock on someones door as "bailiffs". They certainly wouldn't be calling in that capacity.

 

I would also hope that you would condemn any company that breached the OFT guidelines specifically in relation to statute barred debt.

 

I continue to be sceptical of your assertion that you work for MH but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

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But to get proof i would have to contact them,

 

Yes but use the CCA template and you should be fine. If I remember correctly it states something along the lines of "I do not acknowledge any debt to your company". If it doesn't use this as the opening line of the letter.

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At the end of the day you can only pay what you can reasonably afford to pay. Even if you are taken to court and you present an accurate schedule of income and expenditure, the court will only order you to pay what you can afford. Debt buyers like MH work on the basis that they can intimidate and threaten you into paying more than you can afford.

 

Your best course of action (as you don't seem to dispute the debt) is to send them an income and expenditure schedule (there's a template in the Library) and pay them what it shows you can afford. If it's more than £10 then so be it. If it's less than £10 then tough on MH. If they want a review of the payment arrangement then they have to live with the consequences.

 

Finally, if they continue to harass you then you should report them to the relevant authorities.

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You could CCA them but this isn't recommended unless there is doubt about whether the debt is genuine.

 

Firms like MH work on the basis that if they can intimidate and scare you enough then you'll pay more. People who simply ignore them often get ignored themselves.

 

You have a couple of options. You could simply stop paying MH. They'll scream blue murder at you but they may eventually just give up. You could go bankrupt- this would wipe out the debt but there are all sorts of complications with this course of action. The third option is to preprare an income and expenditure account working out what you can afford. This means that the payment to MH could go down as well as up and they will have to lump it if your income is going down.

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Hello,

 

Had contact from MH in January. Ignored them, think it's for a really old debt from 1997.

 

However a company called J2 solutions called my home and my 90 year old neigthbour asking if I lived here, where I work and my mobile number.

 

I called up when I got back from work at 6 ,the quoted a 6 figure extension number, hmmmm Im guessing more like an account number.

 

They were closed at 6 oclock, so left a message quoting this extension number, my address and my name, and said all contact should bein writing only.

 

My only question, because if this call, would you class this as a "bite"? Will they still pound me with letters and phone calls?

 

I only called up as the called my 90 year old neighbour out of the blue, why should anyone else be involved?

 

Keep up the good work

 

Jamie

 

Yes, they will probably start to harass you now. Send the statute barred letter as suggested. You should also write to your local Trading Standards department (probably after they've had a couple of weeks to respond to the statute barred letter and failed to do so). Complain that they're trying to collect a statute barred debt and at their tactics in contacting a neighbour of yours. Did they share any personal data with your neighbour- ie did they say they were collecting a debt?

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